BBC/ITV FreeSat - will this be any different from FreeSatFromSky?

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:55:35 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

It is clear that previously some channels have been made to wait
months for a slot when there was no apparent shortage (ie plenty of
gaps in the EPG).

That occured when the EPG got full (an upper limit on the total number
of channels which apparently nobody predicted or realised sooner that
they were getting close to) - a one-off issue, now resolved.

Perhaps things are improving but either way I suspect that FTA
channels remain resolutely at the bottom of the waiting list.

Then you suspect wrong, as that would be discriminatory and is hence
not allowed.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:55:35 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

It's a discount, since they would be paying for other services at the
same time.

And that is indeed a favour.

No, it's a favour if there is discretion. In this case, there are
published rules.

Except that they are not allowed to - so clearly they could not do so.

What nonsense.

The rules are clear.

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:44:30 +0000, Bob Sherunkle
wrote:

For the record, I only disagree with people who are wrong. :-)

Clearly you disagree with those who have a different opinion to
yourself, which is entirely different.

Yes, I think you'll find that is what disagreement IS. It's very
difficult to disagree with someone who has the same opinion as you.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:55:35 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

Not at all. Most of the data is visible, and that includes the
important part (time, channel). Some extra data that doesn't alter or
contradict the visible part is not visible.

Which just highlights the fact that what you can see is not the whole
story, hence your claims that data cannot possibly be wrong if it
looks right, are.. well, wrong as usual.

"Who knows" is neither here nor there.

It does illustrate that you DON'T know - and the fact that you DON'T
know something is not a sound basis for assuming that something must
be happening.

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:36:26 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:44:30 +0000, Bob Sherunkle
wrote:

For the record, I only disagree with people who are wrong. :-)

Clearly you disagree with those who have a different opinion to
yourself, which is entirely different.

Yes, I think you'll find that is what disagreement IS. It's very
difficult to disagree with someone who has the same opinion as you.

But your assumption is that everyone with a different opinion to
yourself is wrong.
Most of us here can see the flaw in that assumption.

--
Bob

On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:36:26 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:44:30 +0000, Bob Sherunkle
wrote:

For the record, I only disagree with people who are wrong. :-)

Clearly you disagree with those who have a different opinion to
yourself, which is entirely different.

Yes, I think you'll find that is what disagreement IS. It's very
difficult to disagree with someone who has the same opinion as you.

But your assumption is that everyone with a different opinion to
yourself is wrong.
Most of us here can see the flaw in that assumption.

--
Bob

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Perhaps things are improving but either way I suspect that FTA
channels remain resolutely at the bottom of the waiting list.

Then you suspect wrong, as that would be discriminatory and is hence
not allowed.

It would be well-nigh impossible to prove.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

It's a discount, since they would be paying for other services at the
same time.

And that is indeed a favour.

No, it's a favour if there is discretion. In this case, there are
published rules.

Not about discounts there aren't. All discounts are discretionary, by
definition.


Except that they are not allowed to - so clearly they could not do so.

What nonsense.

The rules are clear.

No, they aren't.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:11:45 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

Then you suspect wrong, as that would be discriminatory and is hence
not allowed.

It would be well-nigh impossible to prove.

It would be trivial to prove - given the number of channels launching
new services, any kind of queue jumping would be swiftly detected.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:11:45 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

The rules are clear.

No, they aren't.

Oh, OK, if you know better..