DAB Performance of different makes?

Dave Farrance wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

The fact was that you thought that the new encoders, such as H.264,
can encode some parts of a frame using progressive and some parts of
a frame using interlacing. They can't. I knew that. You were wrong.

I thought you wouldn't be able to resist the "but you said" thing
;-)


Don't wink at me. If you're going to try and patronise me when in fact
you were wrong then expect a response.


I think you've half-remembered this:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.te...9f493be474998a

And if by chance, anybody else is reading this and is curious about
that post, then needless to say, don't try explaining it to Mr DAB
here, because as the long thread that followed showed, he WILL NOT
get it.


Oh, I got it alright. But I'm afraid it CANNOT BE DONE WITH H.264 and I
KNEW IT COULDN'T BE DONE.


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;-)

Nobody Here wrote:
On 26 Oct 2005 04:48:35 -0700, wrote:
I see. So you don't want to give your name, but you want me to say
which hi-fi mag I write for? No, I don't want to, sorry.

That's because there *is* no magazine, is there. It's just a
figment of your imagination, isn't it. Either that or a down-right
lie used in a sad attept to boost your own credibility. Neither of
which shows you in a very positive light, do they?

In fact Steve Green does write for a hi-fi mag. Every month. It's an
interesting read as well. If Steve isn't going to tell you which mag
then I won't either, but it's one of the upmarket, intelligent ones.
You'd better get down to WH Smiths!

TBH Bill, I don't really care if he does or doesn't.


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Superb!

No apology for calling me a liar then? Nah, thought not.


What I do object
to is his arrogance in thinking that just because he has degrees and
has read loads of papers he automatically has a more valid opinion
than others here. He may well do, and he may well be right in what
he says, but using the "I've got loads of degrees and know more than
you do so who are you to question me" argument is just stupid,
ignorant, and immature.


As I've repeated many times, I only ever say that I've got 3 degrees
when someone like Jerry is accusing me of being thick. I didn't actually
hold them out as proof of being highly intelligent, but I think they do
prove I'm not someone with a low IQ, which is my general understanding
of the word.


His views are only an opinion,


That depends on what things you're talking about. If you're talking
about engineering issues relating to DAB, then they're not an opinion,
they're black and white facts such as low spectral efficiency and low
audio diff-grades for low bit rates, etc.


and clearly
not one shared by everybody. He'd get far more credence if he
accepted that, and was a little less quick to dismiss others' views
as worthless.


And you would do better by keeping your nose out of other people's
arguments. I have a lot of history with ::::Jerry:::: and one of the
first things you said was that I should try and have a reasonable debate
with him. I've tried that with him on many occasions but it always
deteriorates to arguing. I won't deny that I'm frequently to blame for
winding him up, but he continually calls me a moron or similar and tries
to suggest I simply haven't got a clue what I'm talking about. So, if
you could try to put yourself in my shoes for just one second, how would
you like it if you were being continually called a moron and that I
haven't got a clue about the subject that I know more about than
anything else?

Anyway, I did block Jerry's posts, so even if he calls me an idiot
behind my back, so to speak, I won't know about it, and I won't have
call to quote the degrees I've got.

One last thing: I am not a fking liar.


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Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

In fact Steve Green does write for a hi-fi mag. Every month. It's an
interesting read as well. If Steve isn't going to tell you which mag
then I won't either, but it's one of the upmarket, intelligent ones.

ahem The last phrase implies a set with a low number of members.
;-

FWIW the only hi-fi mag I've read much in recent years is "Hi Fi
News". I don't recall reading Steve contributing to that, but may
well have missed noticing his byline.


It's not Hi-Fi News.


Is having written for an audio mag a 'dark secret'?


Yes, apparently you become Satan with immediate effect.



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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:54:16 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
John Phillips wrote:
After reading Mike Ellis's slides I wrote the following email.
Strangely, he's never replied. My impression of Mike is that he's an RF
man, and isn't well up on digital comms. If he was then he wouldn't have
made the errors that he did -- unless he made the errors on purpose.


Mike,

The amount of spin in your presentation puts politicians to shame.

[snip the rest of the arrogant tirade]

You wrote that email and wonder why you didn't get a reply? You're
a flipping nut! Quite who you think you are beggars belief!

--
Nobby

Agamemnon wrote:

"Clive Wallis" wrote in message
...

Hi,

I would like to try DAB, just to get some experience of this new
technology. I'm thinking about a clock radio or a mini music centre.


DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY !

DAB is utter CRAP

quite possibly!

and the sound quality is worse than Medium Wave.

Not here in Northampton it isn't!



Is there much difference in the radio performance between the more
expensive brands, such as Sony & Panasonic, and the cheaper ones, such
as Goodmans, Alba & Bush?


Performance. LOL The bit rate is so low that the sound coming out of a
cheep hand held transistor radio with a 2 inch loud speaker back in the
1970's is better than ANY DAB radio today.

Can we cut the sensationalist crap please.

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

DAB is utter CRAP and the sound quality is worse than Medium Wave.

You must have ears of cloth.

That's rich coming from someone that actually says they like
DAB......

So you agree with the statement that all DAB sounds worse than Medium
Wave?



No. But DAB does sound worse than FM.




You missed (TM) off the end of that sentence...

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Anyway, I did block Jerry's posts, so even if he calls me an idiot
behind my back, so to speak,

Be interested to know how someone you've killfiled can possibly do
anything 'behind your back'?

--
*When the going gets tough, the tough take a coffee break *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Anyway, I did block Jerry's posts, so even if he calls me an idiot
behind my back, so to speak,

Be interested to know how someone you've killfiled can possibly do
anything 'behind your back'?


"behind my back, so to speak". Don't you understand what I meant, David?
Sorry, I'm not going to bother to explain that one.


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Nobody Here wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:54:16 GMT, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
John Phillips wrote:
After reading Mike Ellis's slides I wrote the following email.
Strangely, he's never replied. My impression of Mike is that he's an
RF man, and isn't well up on digital comms. If he was then he
wouldn't have made the errors that he did -- unless he made the
errors on purpose.


Mike,

The amount of spin in your presentation puts politicians to shame.

[snip the rest of the arrogant tirade]

You wrote that email and wonder why you didn't get a reply? You're
a flipping nut!


I didn't expect a response. I wrote it because, as I said in the email,
it's bad enough to see and hear all the dishonest marketing for DAB but
when it comes to engineers mis-representing engineering concepts (where
there are right and wrong answers, and he got a lot of things wrong)
that is completely unforgivable.


Quite who you think you are beggars belief!


Turn this around: Who the hell does Mike Ellis think he is completely
mis-representing engineering concepts!


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