Damn you, Survivor!!

Jeff Rife wrote:
Ryan Lago ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:

All of them seem to output HDV, and I know of at least two fairly
inexpensive programs that can handle that format (Adobe Premiere Pro and
Pinnacle Studio Plus 10). You can get Pinnacle for less than $100.

Regarding HDV: Have fun trying to cut accurately!


How is it different from DV or HD MPEG-2?

It isn't.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:21:56 -0400, Jeff Rife wrote:

Ryan Lago ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
All of them seem to output HDV, and I know of at least two fairly
inexpensive programs that can handle that format (Adobe Premiere Pro and
Pinnacle Studio Plus 10). You can get Pinnacle for less than $100.

Regarding HDV: Have fun trying to cut accurately!

How is it different from DV or HD MPEG-2?

DV and MPEG-2 is different.
DV is MJPEG. Full frame.
MPEG-2 is MPEG-2.

Ryan Lago wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:21:56 -0400, Jeff Rife wrote:


Ryan Lago ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:

All of them seem to output HDV, and I know of at least two fairly
inexpensive programs that can handle that format (Adobe Premiere Pro and
Pinnacle Studio Plus 10). You can get Pinnacle for less than $100.

Regarding HDV: Have fun trying to cut accurately!

How is it different from DV or HD MPEG-2?


DV and MPEG-2 is different.
DV is MJPEG. Full frame.

What? DV is NOT mjpeg and DV and HDV are easily edited. HDV requires a
bit more horsepower on the editing system since you're pushing a bit
more data, but this isn't rocket science.

MPEG-2 is MPEG-2.

mpeg-4 is mpeg-4 too. Thanks for the insight.

Cheers,

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:29:08 -0400, Ritz wrote:

Ryan Lago wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:21:56 -0400, Jeff Rife wrote:


Ryan Lago ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:

All of them seem to output HDV, and I know of at least two fairly
inexpensive programs that can handle that format (Adobe Premiere Pro and
Pinnacle Studio Plus 10). You can get Pinnacle for less than $100.

Regarding HDV: Have fun trying to cut accurately!

How is it different from DV or HD MPEG-2?


DV and MPEG-2 is different.
DV is MJPEG. Full frame.

What? DV is NOT mjpeg and DV and HDV are easily edited. HDV requires a
bit more horsepower on the editing system since you're pushing a bit
more data, but this isn't rocket science.
DV and MJPEG are recording every frame as a full frame.
Dont you get it?

HDV does not. HDV is a MPEG2 (lossy) method!

Ritz ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Ryan Lago wrote:
DV and MPEG-2 is different.
DV is MJPEG. Full frame.

What? DV is NOT mjpeg

This I knew, so I now suspect that HDV isn't much different from DV...just
more bits.

and DV and HDV are easily edited. HDV requires a
bit more horsepower on the editing system since you're pushing a bit
more data, but this isn't rocket science.

That's what I thought, but it could have been some weird format where
I-frames (or the equivalent) were few and far between, which makes "cheap"
editors harder to build.

With a top-level consumer DV camcorder running close to $1500, the extra
$500-1000 to get HDV (even at 1440x1080) seems well worth it now that
editors are cheap.

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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:39:13 -0400, Jeff Rife wrote:

Ritz ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Ryan Lago wrote:
DV and MPEG-2 is different.
DV is MJPEG. Full frame.

What? DV is NOT mjpeg

This I knew, so I now suspect that HDV isn't much different from DV...just
more bits.

HDV is NOT more bits.
HDV is HDTV information on a DV cassette - means the information has
to be compressed with a lossy method called MPEG2.

MPEG2 means you CANNOT edit the footage frame by frame.

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"Ryan Lago" wrote in message
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On 16 Sep 2005 05:50:36 -0700, "Larry Bud"
wrote:

First ep of Survivor was on last night, AGAIN not recorded in HD. It's
a PERFECT venue for HD, out in the jungle/ocean and a couple of hot
babes.

A HD cam is worth about $ 100.000.
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Not true at all.
There are models as low as $ 2,000.00 now.

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They're using old Betacam SP camcorders which do not cost that much.
Camcorders actually don't like the tropical climate ... the salty air
and all the dirt are bad for them.

You cant rent twenty HD camcorders for Survivor. They won't let you.
Because afterwards the camcorders are crap.

By the way, all the costly editing equipment has to be replaced also.
In case you didnt know already - the episodes are edited on location.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:16:47 -0700, "Richard C."
wrote:

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"Ryan Lago" wrote in message
.. .
On 16 Sep 2005 05:50:36 -0700, "Larry Bud"
wrote:

First ep of Survivor was on last night, AGAIN not recorded in HD. It's
a PERFECT venue for HD, out in the jungle/ocean and a couple of hot
babes.

A HD cam is worth about $ 100.000.
===============================
Not true at all.
There are models as low as $ 2,000.00 now.

Had a big laugh. Thanx.
We're talking about pro equipment my friend.

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:08:00 +0200 Ryan Lago wrote:
| On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:39:13 -0400, Jeff Rife wrote:
|
|Ritz ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Ryan Lago wrote:
| DV and MPEG-2 is different.
| DV is MJPEG. Full frame.
|
| What? DV is NOT mjpeg
|
|This I knew, so I now suspect that HDV isn't much different from DV...just
|more bits.
|
| HDV is NOT more bits.
| HDV is HDTV information on a DV cassette - means the information has
| to be compressed with a lossy method called MPEG2.
|
| MPEG2 means you CANNOT edit the footage frame by frame.

Sure you can. Just because the number of stored bits per frame varies
does not prevent frame-accurate editing. It just requires more work on
the part of the software. One possible approach is to pre-index the
HDV file to find where all the frame positions actually are, and store
that information as an index file.

If your editor program cannot do it, don't assume that all others cannot.

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Ryan Lago ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
HDV is NOT more bits.
HDV is HDTV information on a DV cassette - means the information has
to be compressed with a lossy method called MPEG2.

Uh, DV is also lossy. For more details on DV, see:
http://www.dvcollections.com/support_dvcompress.html

Technically, HDV is *not* MPEG-2, but rather "Long-GOP MPEG-2".

MPEG2 means you CANNOT edit the footage frame by frame.

Gee, then why do I do just that every day? Check out any number of
programs, but I use VideoReDo (http://www.videoredo.com/). After searching
their support forum, I see that at least one guy is using VideoReDo to
edit HDV from a Sony HDR-HC1.

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