ITV and the BBC are to launch a free digital satellite service

In article ws.net, MJ
Ray writes
" wrote:
I didn't know that. That you could merge and split, I mean - not that
the Sky boxes didn't do it well.

For example, the PIDs displayed on the receiver for the WDR
services on 19e 12422 H 22000 not during their regional news
are all Video 101 and Audio 102 and not what Lyngsat lists.

So BBC One (all regions) is at ~4Mbps (per region) because they don't
implement merging for national output?

Apparently the BBC have other complexities which also add the
short (1 second, if that) delay of regions compared to London.
If you search archives of uk.tech.digital-tv, you might find
a sage explaining them to me in detail a few months ago.

Would merging not mean that regional info could not be carried in the
EPG without getting in a mess?
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Peter Pratten wrote:

Only if you use the word very freely indeed. Both digital and analogue
broadcasts require a receiver (unless you have a suitable metal plate
in your skull) but not necessarily a decoder. A decoder is only needed
if there is some sort of encryption, such as that used by the analogue
C5.

That's a decrypter not a decoder. In digital terms the decoder decodes
MPEG2, the decrypter decrypts videoguard. Maybe you want to rephrase
this for analogue.

No, I don't want to rephrase it at all. You are making a simple thing
complicated for no reason. By that argument Sky analogue receivers
also contained both decoders and decrypters.

You could argue that they also need tuners, video processors, IR
sensors, buttons, power supplies etc. etc., but that would be equally
pointless.

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Peter Pratten wrote:
MJ Ray writes:
" wrote:
I didn't know that. That you could merge and split, I mean - not that
the Sky boxes didn't do it well.
For example, the PIDs displayed on the receiver for the WDR
services on 19e 12422 H 22000 not during their regional news
are all Video 101 and Audio 102 and not what Lyngsat lists.
[...]
Would merging not mean that regional info could not be carried in the
EPG without getting in a mess?

No, the DVB-SI stream (= standard EPG carrier) is attached to a
service ID, like the video and audio streams. Two services can
share the same video while having different EPGs. What sense
would it make to attach EPG to video or audio?

To check this, I looked at the WDR services mentioned above.
They are currently sharing the same video and audio, but the
EPG shows the correct Lokalzeit aus Aachen, Lokalzeit Ruhr
and so on for each channel.

You can find out more in s2.3 of Markus Kuhn's 1996 introduction
at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/dvb.txt

If you were asking whether it would affect Sky's EPG, then I
don't know the answer. I doubt that supports standards well.

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In article ws.net, MJ
Ray writes
If you were asking whether it would affect Sky's EPG, then I
don't know the answer. I doubt that supports standards well.

Well, I was thinking in context of Sky not WDR.
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Peter Pratten wrote:
MJ Ray writes:
If you were asking whether it would affect Sky's EPG, then I
don't know the answer. I doubt that supports standards well.

Well, I was thinking in context of Sky not WDR.

You need someone who understands the Sky EPG to explain how
it would interact with regional programmes part-time sharing
video+audio. If some Sky boxes crash on split, the EPG's probably
not going to have been tested much.

WDR uses a standard DVB-SI-based EPG, which could be used by
the new BBC and ITV offering if they choose and it would be
understood by even humble sub-GBP100 receivers like the cheap
boxed sets. They may well do that: it wouldn't need them to
get involved in hardware sales and I understand that Freeview's
EPG is the same method, so the data should be there already.

Great news, just one thing, I HOPE they will NOT use ASTRA 2d
GJ



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Things could get very interesting over the next year or 2.

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ITV and the BBC are to launch a free digital satellite service in a
long-anticipated move to take on market-leading pay-TV company BSkyB.

The broadcasters said today they were working together to develop a
Freesat service that would "complement" Freeview, the digital terrestrial
service that has been sold to more than 5 million homes.

Freesat will be aimed at the 25% of UK households that cannot receive
Freeview and is aiming to be operational in the first half of next year.

The new service will compete with Sky's own Freesat service, which
launched in October offering 120 TV channels and 80 radio stations for a
one-off installation charge of £150.

Sky is also the market leader in pay television, with 7.8 million
subscribers to its Sky Digital satellite service that gives access to
premium channels.

ITV - which announced a rise in revenues and profits as it unveiled
first-half results today - also said it would start broadcasting all its
channels "in the clear", following the BBC's lead in dispensing with Sky's
encryption services.

The new Freesat service will showcase all of ITV's digital channels along
with those of the BBC and other broadcasters.

Charles Allen, the ITV chief executive, said the company wanted its
channels to be as widely available as possible.

"As we move from an analogue to a digital environment, Freesat - and
Freeview - will enable every family in the UK to enjoy a wide range of
quality channels for free," he said

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:35:03 GMT, "ykzx" wrote:

| Great news, just one thing, I HOPE they will NOT use ASTRA 2d
| GJ


It has been reported here that ITV have moved to Astra 2D.
So those watching in Italy will need a *big* dish.

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"ykzx" wrote in message
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Great news, just one thing, I HOPE they will NOT use ASTRA 2d

Why would they do anything else.

ITV3 is already viewable from it

tim

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:46:14 +0100, Dave Fawthrop
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:35:03 GMT, "ykzx" wrote:

| Great news, just one thing, I HOPE they will NOT use ASTRA 2d
| GJ


It has been reported here that ITV have moved to Astra 2D.
So those watching in Italy will need a *big* dish.

I think that you will find that ITV have been on Astra 2D since they started
broadcasting on satellite.

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^^artnada^^ writes
Things could get very interesting over the next year or 2.

If anything was going to stunt the sales of iDTVs further you can be
sure that publicity for yet another delivery system starting up will.
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