When does analogue TV die?

Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

Thanks also to previous replies to my earlier posting on Top up TV... Wow,
what a rip off! 10 channels timeshared into 4 !!

Chris


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On 20 Mar 2005, 4x4forfun wrote

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Oh... PS....
Top posting is the way forward and saves time re reading all the
crap that came before.... Don't bottom post, no one will read it!

OK.

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4x4forfun wrote
Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

While digital does have is flaws, if you are getting fuzzy digital then
there may be something wrong with your box.

Alternatively the problem may be at the transmission side of the chain
Did anyone notice how bad the F1 on ITV coverage was? With the heat
haze changing every pixel in every frame the bitrate transmitted was
insufficient for the picture's dynamic content.

The timescale for analogue switch off seems to change on a monthly
basis. It may be further extended when the Government work out how much
they will have to spend providing free digital to the poor of this
country.
--
Alan

4x4forfun wrote:
Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

If you find analogue sharper than digital then I suggest that there's
something wrong with your setup. The current plan is for swithoff to be
complete by 2012. It is due to start in 2007 in the Border region and
another one, which may well have been west country although I don't
remember. The exact timetable is due to be announced in the summer.

Thanks also to previous replies to my earlier posting on Top up TV... Wow,
what a rip off! 10 channels timeshared into 4 !!

Chris


Oh... PS....
Top posting is the way forward and saves time re reading all the crap that
came before.... Don't bottom post, no one will read it!

So I can call you a twunt, safe in the knowledge that you're not reading
it then ;-)

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4x4forfun wrote:
Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

If you find analogue sharper than digital then I suggest that there's
something wrong with your setup.

No, theres nothing wrong. I've had Three digital freeview boxes here all
connected via their modulator, and RGB, and NONE of them are as sharp as
the analogue signal, or as good on the colour rendering either.

The analogue picture is very good at showing up duff digital sources as
well, this is going to be the next area of signal degradation what's
originated at the "sending end"

I'm afraid that you are noticing the effect of a low bitrate digital
signal.

Thats all....


--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
In article , Ben
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4x4forfun wrote:

Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

If you find analogue sharper than digital then I suggest that there's
something wrong with your setup.


No, theres nothing wrong. I've had Three digital freeview boxes here all
connected via their modulator, and RGB, and NONE of them are as sharp as
the analogue signal, or as good on the colour rendering either.

I really don't get this. I've had three different freeview boxes aswell
(one of them a PC card) and they are all much sharper and have much
better colour rendering than analogue. Enough people come on here and
say analogue is better that there must be something in it, yet its
totally contrary to my experience.

The analogue picture is very good at showing up duff digital sources as
well, this is going to be the next area of signal degradation what's
originated at the "sending end"

I'm afraid that you are noticing the effect of a low bitrate digital
signal.

Low bitrates as we see them on freeview don't make the picture less
sharp though, they just make the discrete cosine transform obvious, and
make graduation visible, and (in the case of channel5 lately) get the
motion prediction wrong so that parts of buildings start slowly drifting
away from other parts (improvements in compression technology my arse).
Lack of sharpness is something we certainly don't suffer from, sharp
edges all over what should be a flat surface is more like it.

In message . uk,
4x4forfun writes
Hi again guys
Oh... PS....
Top posting is the way forward and saves time re reading all the crap that
came before.... Don't bottom post, no one will read it!



Yes Dear.
--
Ian.

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writes
Did anyone notice how bad the F1 on ITV coverage was?

"Alan" on 2004-04-03 wrote in message
...

Has anyone noticed that all track scenes in the F1 qualifying have
been replaced by some cheap video game output?

Alan, you need to get out more! ;-)
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

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tony sayer wrote:
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4x4forfun wrote:

Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in
the UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and
other dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be
losing sharp analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the
timescale.

If you find analogue sharper than digital then I suggest that there's
something wrong with your setup.


No, theres nothing wrong. I've had Three digital freeview boxes here all
connected via their modulator, and RGB, and NONE of them are as sharp as
the analogue signal, or as good on the colour rendering either.

I really don't get this. I've had three different freeview boxes aswell
(one of them a PC card) and they are all much sharper and have much better
colour rendering than analogue. Enough people come on here and say
analogue is better that there must be something in it, yet its totally
contrary to my experience.

The analogue picture is very good at showing up duff digital sources as
well, this is going to be the next area of signal degradation what's
originated at the "sending end"

I'm afraid that you are noticing the effect of a low bitrate digital
signal.

Low bitrates as we see them on freeview don't make the picture less sharp
though, they just make the discrete cosine transform obvious, and make
graduation visible, and (in the case of channel5 lately) get the motion
prediction wrong so that parts of buildings start slowly drifting away
from other parts (improvements in compression technology my arse). Lack of
sharpness is something we certainly don't suffer from, sharp edges all
over what should be a flat surface is more like it.

Apologies for the term 'fuzzy' used in my earlier post... To clarify after
reading postings of others on this group, my complaint regarding digital tv,
whether terrestrial or sat is picture break up when the scene gets busy... I
think the term may be 'blocky'... It happens too often for my liking. Also,
although digi pictures are ok on my 12" and 17" tv's, having seen them at
friends houses on their oversized widescreen jobby's gives the appearance of
an animated mosaic!!... Ugh!!

Thanks for the feedback on analogue shutdown, I'll keep my eyes open for a
timetable.

Chris

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tony sayer wrote:
In article , Ben
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4x4forfun wrote:

Hi again guys

As the subject title... When will we be losing the analogue TV system in the
UK?

Some are telling me 2006 in the west country (we live in Devon) and other
dates I have seen are around 2012. I assume we will indeed be losing sharp
analogue to fuzzy digital at some point... But whats the timescale.

If you find analogue sharper than digital then I suggest that there's
something wrong with your setup.


No, theres nothing wrong. I've had Three digital freeview boxes here all
connected via their modulator, and RGB, and NONE of them are as sharp as
the analogue signal, or as good on the colour rendering either.

I really don't get this. I've had three different freeview boxes aswell
(one of them a PC card) and they are all much sharper and have much
better colour rendering than analogue. Enough people come on here and
say analogue is better that there must be something in it, yet its
totally contrary to my experience.

Yes must be something *very* strange going on if you now reckon the
colour graduation is better!.

As you say sharpness may be one thing, but on analogue its a totally
different thing when it comes to colour graduation. Just look at a live
studio shot and the flesh tones. I've not yet seen anything other than
three shades of puce for those on Freeview.

Perhaps you ought to visit a TV production studio sometime to see the
real thing, or some very hi res CCTV perhaps?...

--
Tony Sayer