ABC1 or the lack of it in Wales

"JohnJ" wrote in message
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"alan" WROTE:

I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway.

How do you know they're rubbish if you don't watch them??!!

Because we do give new channels a go. If they don't deliver what we want -
we cease to watch. However if we are paying for it and perceive that it is
unlikely to be of significant value to other viewers (as opposed to
legislators and S4C) I think we should say so.

If things have changed and you now think it of value and we should
resample - please tell us!

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"alan" WROTE:

I used to, for months,switch channels to see if there was anything good to
watch on S4C,S4C2.And all those times i tuned into S4C,(when they were
broadcasting)
for me, there was nothing of any interest to watch.
I dont even switch on S4C,2 anymore.
Can anyone tell me if there is anything good on S4C now.
I suppose if one could speak welsh(not myself)you might find S4C good to
watch.

It shouldn't really be a problem whether you speak Welsh or not, as
most S4C programmes have English subtitles. I speak very little Welsh,
but used to enjoy quite a few Welsh-language programmes (mainly drama)
on that channel. However the particular programmes I liked don't seem
to be on any more, and I must confess that I haven't looked at it much
recently, now that I can get the full Channel 4 output via Freeview.

The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be
making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures.

John J
Aberystwyth, Wales

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:09:12 +0100, JohnJ wrote:

Peter WROTE:

S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life
in Wales.

No it's not - it is only of importance to the failed county
councillors who now occupy it - nearly all of them on some sort of ego
trip.

Since the Welsh Assembly has powers and responsibilities regarding all
the following in Wales:

agriculture;

What exactly does it do for the agricultural community?
ancient monuments and historic buildings;
Ditto
culture;
ditto
economic development;
Aah, objective 1 funding - underspent to date, and with no
demonstrable benefit for what has been spent.
education and training;
Lagging behind the rest of the UK
the environment;
The environment cannot be looked at in isolation from the rest of
Britain - except where the assembly has an overwhelming need to be
seen to be doing something - hence the windfarm off Porthcawl.
health and health services;
Jane Hutt
highways;
A joke - 2 lane section of M4 north of Cardiff.
housing;
More substandard housing than almost anywhere else in the UK
industry;
Declining
local government
Populated by politicians that can't even make it to the assembly.
social services;
Very poor
sport and leisure;
What exactly does it do for sport and leisure?
tourism;
Self sufficient
town and country planning;
A joke
transport and roads;
See above - Highways
the Welsh language.
Do tell

It is only important in the sense that it is an incompetent, anally
retentive organisation poplulated by third rate politicians - and
serves the people of Wales badly on all the above - it was the product
of an off the cuff policy decision by the Labour government to act as
a sop to Welsh labour, but something they wanted to control - hence
the parachuting in of Alun Michael - Now Rhodri morgan is in charge
Blair will let him rot in the pit of his own incompetence - and Wales
along with it.
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:14:25 +0100, "Mark Carver"
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Peter wrote:
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The issue that you seem to have missed on your tangential trip to
preserve the Welsh language (that I fully support - see above) is that
this thread is about the quality of the programming on the channel and
the fact that those people in Wales who only have access to Welsh
transmitters have both S4C and BBC2W forced upon them.

I think BBC2*W* is only carried on digital platforms, BBC 2 *Wales*
as carried on analogue transmitters is not the same as 2W, though
the 'real' BBC 2 is still only available in Wales via D-Sat (Sky Ch 959),
or by overlap reception from English transmitters in some areas.

In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting
to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch off?........


The people of ferryside and Llanstepahan (?) are the first to have
their analogue feed swithed off - I assume that those without a Sky
service will be restricted to digital terrestrial and will not
therefore have the channel 959 escape route.


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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:45:07 +0100, JohnJ wrote:


It shouldn't really be a problem whether you speak Welsh or not, as
most S4C programmes have English subtitles. I speak very little Welsh,
but used to enjoy quite a few Welsh-language programmes (mainly drama)
on that channel. However the particular programmes I liked don't seem
to be on any more, and I must confess that I haven't looked at it much
recently, now that I can get the full Channel 4 output via Freeview.

The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be
making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures.

I suggest the viewing figures were so small that it would be
impossible to make a LARGE dent in them - a dent yes.

You make a valid point about the problems S4C have with declining
viewing figures now that their monoply on the fourth channel is
rapidly disappearing.


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Peter WROTE:

The increasing availability of UK C4 in Wales via digital TV must be
making a huge dent in S4C viewing figures.

I suggest the viewing figures were so small that it would be
impossible to make a LARGE dent in them - a dent yes.

Everything's relative!

JJ

On 28/09/2004, British Shorthair wrote in message
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[And I quote him upside down in order to make my point.]

And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the
traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in
England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating
the language with lots of "American-isms".

Fair enough.

I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language.

The majority of Welsh people disagree with you. Really. In
repeated surveys throughout the 1990s less than 50% of native-
born Welsh people said that they'd be willing to put any time
into studying Welsh.

So what you're really saying is that the Welsh language should
be imposed on people living in Wales whether they like it or
not.

Now, I spent some time in Aberystwyth last Summer and got to
hear some very blokish Welsh spoken in pubs down there -- not
the prettified Welsh they learn in school but the harsh and
sharp language used by older men. I'm interested in languages
and found its innate poetry very nice to listen to. But just
because I liked it does make it important to try to force feed
it down the throats of the entire Welsh population.

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Peter wrote:
In short it is possible to escape the programming of 2W by reverting
to analogue and watching BBC 2 Wales; however after analogue switch
off?........


The people of ferryside and Llanstepahan (?) are the first to have
their analogue feed swithed off - I assume that those without a Sky
service will be restricted to digital terrestrial and will not
therefore have the channel 959 escape route.

As an aside to this discussion

ISTR when the Chepstow relay [1] was being built, the town were given
the choice by the IBA to vote whether they wanted HTV Bristol and C4,
or HTV Wales and S4C.
They opted for the English choice. However the Beeb decided
(without any consultation) to provide them with BBC 1 and 2 Wales

[1] I think the relay station is situated in England, but 90% of its intended
service area is in Wales ?

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:41:19 +0100, Dominic Shields
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:51:44 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair"
wrote:

I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language.

And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the
traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in
England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the
language with lots of "American-isms".

S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life
in Wales.

I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are
pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales.

I'm Welsh and have always lived in Wales and was taught Welsh in
school and I also think it important to preserve the language.

Crap and unnnecessary TV channels nobody watches only bring this aim
into disreputeoose.

You can't preserve a language. It's a means of communication not a
thing.

Why would you want to preserve it anyway? Doesn't 'preserve' suggest
something dead anyway?

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:47:41 +0100, Mike Henry
wrote:

In , Simon Slavin
.uk wrote:
So what you're really saying is that the Welsh language should
be imposed on people living in Wales whether they like it or
not.

It already is. Under the National Curriculum, all children in Wales have
to study Welsh to GCSE level AFAIR.

Which goes to show just how stupid the Welsh lobby is - the policy of
compulsory Welsh until KS3 cretes more animosity than almost anything
else in education. if the half wits that formulated the policy could
see past their congenitally damaged brains, they wouldhave spotted
that onevolunteer is worth tem pressed men, but unfortunately they
had loaned what passes as their collective intellect to a dog turd
that convinced them it could be put to better use chatting up flies.


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