ABC1 or the lack of it in Wales

"Simes" wrote in message
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Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in
Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do
with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt
hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR)

That is a dastardly lie. I watched it about 18 months ago. Or at least I
think I did. I couldn't quite decide whether it was relaying the Welsh
Assembly or a test card of the Welsh Assembly.

Is there a difference?

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"Marc Barbour" wrote in message
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"alan" wrote in message
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Blimey thats odd.What freeview box does your dad have,don't suppose it
makes
any difference anyway,and he must be on the wenvoe transmitter.Strange
some
people can't get ABC1.I'm stumped.

I'm on Wenvoe with a Sony box and no ABC1. If you're nearer the coast in S
Wales you can probably pick it up from the Mendip TX.

Marc


Bits of Gower and Mumbles can receive Westcountry TV. Mendip is a bit
patchy down that far.


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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes"
wrote:



Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in
Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to do
with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt
hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR)

Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2
- we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to
keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in
jobs.


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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:59:23 +0000 (UTC), "British Shorthair"
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S4C2 is state funded and is important culturally so I understand.

What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had
a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes
start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that
culturally inmportant then.

As for S4C1 - it is the most expensive TV channel in the world (id you
divide the cost of running it by the number of viewers (although the
number of people watching it has often to be guessed because the
figures are often too low to measure). It is only of importance to the
people working in it - nationally it's a joke - some programmes are of
such quality that they make Crossroads look like Shakespeare.
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I live in wales.And i don't watch S4C,S4C2.
Sling them out i say.Rubbish is on them anyway.





"Peter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:41:09 +0000 (UTC), "Simes"
wrote:



Apparently SDN have said that there are 'no current plans' for abc1 in
Wales. I can't recall where I saw that, but its apparently something to
do
with capacity being taken up by S4C2, a channel which I seriously doubt
hardly anyone watches (its only on air about 3 days a week ISTR)

Nobody watches S4C 1 either! The other channel we miss out on is BBC2
- we get the *******ised BBC2W - which appears to have been created to
keep 3rd rate TV types from Cardiff, making 3rd rate TV programmes, in
jobs.


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Peter

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"Peter" wrote
What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had
a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes
start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that
culturally inmportant then.

I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language.

And before you sneer at that - let me just remind people that the
traditional English language has gradually been changing for years in
England because of American programming and culture on TV contaminating the
language with lots of "American-isms".

S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to life
in Wales.

I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are
pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales.

"British Shorthair" wrote in message
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"Simes" wrote
S4C2 is state funded and is important culturally so I understand. ABC1 is
all about American culture, and I think it'd be wrong to deprive the last
remaining slots of Welsh programming on a terrestrial network to make way
for ABC1.


Up to this point I agreed with what you said, but who says S4C2 is important
culturally? There might be an argument for the retention of S4C (not *S4C2*)
on that basis I agree. TV isn't just about culture its about entertainment,
of which S4C2 provides very little. Welsh TV is an extremely costly venture
paid for ultimately by the people. Its existence is primarily for political
reasons rather than cultural ones (and there is an argument that S4C itself
is more about political expediency than 'culture'...)

And its not even watched by the majority in Wales!

I sort of agree that S4C shouldn't be dumped (I don't agree that S4C2 should
be retained though) but if you don't live in Wales I don't think you should
be so quick to comment quite honestly.

Simes

"British Shorthair" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote
I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are
pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales.

Wrong in my case at least. And a breathtaking assumption on your part but
made presumably to back up a fairly weak case.


Simes

"British Shorthair" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote
What makes you think that S4C2 is culturally important? I've just had
a look at the channel on Sky and the epg tells me that programmes
start on Tuesday - which Tuesday nobody knows - can't be that
culturally inmportant then.

I think it's important to try and preserve the Welsh language.

Why? Surely it's just an expensive platform for Welsh nationalism.

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"British Shorthair" wrote in message
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S4C2 also provides coverage of the Welsh assembly which is important to
life
in Wales.

I find that statement most surprising.

I think I'm the only person I have met (in Wales) who has actually watched
it. Its mention gets vacant faces down the (mostly Welsh speaking) local!
The WA output could, I would have thought, be able to be accommodated on BBC
Parliament which is not exactly crowded to capacity.

I'd be hardly surprised if a good proportion of these comments that are
pro-ABC1 and anti-S4C are coming from Englishmen living in Wales.

I think you are confusing S4C & S4C2.

I would suspect more people in Wales would watch ABC1 (if it were available)
than S4C2. Are you saying there would be a significant difference between
those born in England and those born in Wales or between male & female of
either?

Maybe the WA should run a referendum on the allocation of MUX channels if it
really believes in democratic choice.

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