BBC3 = CBBC ?

On 18 May 2004 15:30:03 -0700, (Ricky) wrote:

Moldy k wrote in message . ..

On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Moldy, I suspect it is you with your head up your backside...

At the time I posted that, you are probably right ;-)


There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV
channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with
CBeebies and BBC 4.

I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having
different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same
Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about
demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at
different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call
itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time.

Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on
Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm.
But no changing of channels was necessary.

And in the case of CBBC and BBC3 the line that divides the
demographics is pretty blurry anyway - I don't see why it isn't just
called BBC 3 all day long. (Of course the Cbeebies/BBC 4 demographics
are not so close...)

Feel free to dispute these statements.

As to this, I cannot add anything further to what Stephen has already
said in reply - I am in total agreement with him.


Ric.


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In article , Ricky
wrote:
Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on
Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm.
But no changing of channels was necessary.

Back in the 1950s we had "Children's Hour" and the rest of the
evening's programmes all on the same channel at different times, and
our TV set didn't even have a tuning control. We switched it on, and we
switched it off, and that arrangement worked perfectly well.

Rod.

"Ricky" wrote in message
...

There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV
channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with
CBeebies and BBC 4.


Hmmm,

BBC1
BBC2
BBC3/CBBC
BBC4/CBeebies
News24
Parliament/Community
and then the 2 'interactive' channels
701
702

I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time,
but they will all be in use come Wimbledon.

"Ray Pearce" wrote in message


Hmmm,

BBC1
BBC2
BBC3/CBBC
BBC4/CBeebies
News24
Parliament/Community
and then the 2 'interactive' channels
701
702

I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time,
but they will all be in use come Wimbledon.

Actually Community (and presumably parliament) share the same PIDs as
702.
So only 7.

Some areas seem to have 703 as well. I've no idea how it fits into the
scheme.

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BBC1
BBC2
BBC3/CBBC
BBC4/CBeebies
News24
Parliament/Community
and then the 2 'interactive' channels
701
702

I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time,
but they will all be in use come Wimbledon.

Actually Community (and presumably parliament) share the same PIDs as
702.
So only 7.

BBC Parliament is a channel in its own right. It has no connection with The
Community Channel (which in itself uses the capacity of 702 during the
night). Strictly (politically) speaking, 701 and 702 aren't channels in the
sense that the others are.

Some areas seem to have 703 as well. I've no idea how it fits into the
scheme.

703 is a data channel.

Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 14:14:39 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to s
ay 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Numpty

Good grief, what did I do to deserve that?

Erm not much really.


I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would
have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction.

Yes, I should have read on - my rant was more aimed at those in this
thread who are saying there should be no CBBC/CBEEBIES at all.


All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and
counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are
never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these
observations deserve your attack?

Not at all


Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any
other post of mine.


I hereby apologise Sean.

S

Thanks. Explosions in the news groups seem common but apologies are
rare so I appreciate that.

I am actually a strong defender of the BBC. I have no objection to
the children's channels. My son likes CBBC very much and if I get
home from work in time, I sometimes watch it with him. Nobody in the
house watches CBeebies but I do not object to its existence. I don't
like sport but I don't complain about the Sky Sports News channel
(well I did in another post in this thread but I hope that it was
obviously a joke).

This thread was just meant to be a technical query prompted by the odd
behaviour of one of my STBs which sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC.
It was not meant to be an attack on the BBC.

Seán O'Leathlóbhair

"Ray Pearce" wrote in message ...
"Ricky" wrote in message
...

There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV
channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with
CBeebies and BBC 4.


Hmmm,

BBC1
BBC2
BBC3/CBBC
BBC4/CBeebies
News24
Parliament/Community
and then the 2 'interactive' channels
701
702

I make that 8 distinct channels - OK, they are not full time,
but they will all be in use come Wimbledon.

I was ignoring the 70x channels since they do not seem to be
publicised as channels rather than support for the interactive
services of other channels. I do not have them set as favourites and
do not access them directly.

But I accept that if you are counting data streams, which I was
attempting to do, then they should be counted.

So there are 8 channel names (counting BBC3 and CBBC separately) and 8
streams (counting the 70x channels), it is just that the relationship
between them is not as simple as those numbers would suggest.

Seán O'Leathlóbhair

Stephen Neal wrote in message ...
On 18/5/04 11:30 pm, in article
, "Ricky"
wrote:

I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having
different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same
Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about
demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at
different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call
itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time.

Err - you are ignoring the importance of the EPG in viewing via digital
platforms - especially on Sky Digital and Digital Cable.

The BBC discovered that CBBC on Choice wasn't getting surfed by younger
viewers (i.e. Kids - the target audience) much as they were all surfing
around the Kids channels on Sky, and not finding BBC Choice (which was in
the general bit of the EPG)
[snip]
It isn't the channel number that is important these days - it is the
position of the channel within the EPG (and also which channels it is close
to)

OK. Fair point. I'm not much of a "channel surfer" so the position of
channels on the EPG is totally irrelevant to me, but obviously the
younger generation (boy, do I sound old, I'm only 33) do things
differently.

I tend to only watch the telly when there's something on that I want
to watch (i.e. not very often these days) - and I find out what's on
by perusing a TV mag when it comes out and highlighting those
programmes I want to watch. If there's nowt of interest on telly I
watch nowt! (and generally listen to the radio or a CD instead)

I can't get into the mindset of those who switch on the telly and surf
about until they find "the best thing that's on at the moment" and
watch that - even if its total crap. Of course, you occasionally find
a gem that way, but not very often.

Thus the order on the EPG is irrelevant to me. Indeed, I have one of
the old OnDodgy boxes that you can rearrange the channel numbers on so
all the channels I watch with any regularity are in the single-digits
part of the epg, and that includes News 24 (8 on my box) and Cbeebies
for my toddler (9 on the box)...

Ric.

"Stephen Neal" wrote in message
...

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I think 703 may be a holding channel for the News Interactive feed ?


I beleive 703 is a gateway for applications that are jumping in from the
other BBC Mux.

I think there were worries that when an application forced a mux change that
the first thing the STBs did after tuning to the new mux was to start-up the
video decoder. Only once the video and audio decoders were running did STBs
then start up the text application. Before deciding to hide the Parliament &
multiscreen video there were concerns that the viewer selecting Parliament
or a multiscreen from a service on Mux1 would see a few seconds worth of the
Parliament/multiscreen matrixed video. I think 703 was created as service
with no video component to be used as a jumping-in point to get around this
problem.

Something clever happens as you have to arrive at 703 from another text
application for the gateway to work so I guess some sort of attribute is
passed or retained across the mux-tune.


Glyn



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