BBC3 = CBBC ?

"uselesses" wrote in message
...

Between 9am and 1pm the CBBC Channel shows schools programmes during
term
time, but you wouldn't have checked that out before your rant. However
if
you would like a valid argument, you could ask why there are a dozen
other
kids channels on air with cartoons.



Aw c`mon rant is a bit harsh )
These channels are probably a godsend for Parents but I ain`t got no use
for
em!
I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

I bet there hasn't...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

I bet there hasn't...



I bet ya large sums of money there has.
I know for a fact during school holidays in the mornings I`ve browsed
through all 5 terrestrial analogue channels and found cartoons and childrens
programmes on all 5.

"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I never watch BBC Parliament for that reason but I like News 24. I
guess that they are targeted at different age ranges.

More seriously, we all have things we do and don't like and it is
common to notice all the things we don't like and get the feeling that
there is an unfair amount of it. Personally I don't like watching
sport so I regard Sky News Sport as a waste of good bandwidth.

Seán O'Leathlóbhair

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

I am happy with the distinction between BBC3 and CBBC since it
distinguishes the content and allows features such as locks to be
placed on one and not the other. But using techniques such as this to
inflate the number of channels seems more dubious.

I have just noticed that UK Bright Ideas and FTN are another such
pair. I was wondering why I got Bright Ideas when scanning through
the channels even though it is not set as a favourite. I then
realised that the set was on the FTN channel and after about a minute,
the set realised its mistake.

Seán O'Leathlóbhair

On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Numpty


I am happy with the distinction between BBC3 and CBBC since it
distinguishes the content and allows features such as locks to be
placed on one and not the other. But using techniques such as this to
inflate the number of channels seems more dubious.

I have just noticed that UK Bright Ideas and FTN are another such
pair. I was wondering why I got Bright Ideas when scanning through
the channels even though it is not set as a favourite. I then
realised that the set was on the FTN channel and after about a minute,
the set realised its mistake.

Seán O'Leathlóbhair


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Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to s
ay 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Numpty

Good grief, what did I do to deserve that?

I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would
have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction.

All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and
counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are
never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these
observations deserve your attack?

Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any
other post of mine.

S

Moldy k wrote in message . ..

On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to say 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Moldy, I suspect it is you with your head up your backside...

There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV
channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with
CBeebies and BBC 4.

I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having
different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same
Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about
demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at
different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call
itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time.

Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on
Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm.
But no changing of channels was necessary.

And in the case of CBBC and BBC3 the line that divides the
demographics is pretty blurry anyway - I don't see why it isn't just
called BBC 3 all day long. (Of course the Cbeebies/BBC 4 demographics
are not so close...)

Feel free to dispute these statements.

Ric.

On 18/5/04 11:30 pm, in article
, "Ricky"
wrote:

[snip]


Moldy, I suspect it is you with your head up your backside...

There is no time of the day when the BBC is broadcasting 8 distinct TV
channels in the UK. CBBC and BBC 3 never co-exist. Similarly with
CBeebies and BBC 4.


This is true.

I am in agreement with Sean's post - what is the point of having
different channel numbers for channels that are broadcast on the same
Muxes and will never co-exist? And please don't witter on about
demographics; BBC 2 caters for different sub-sets of society at
different times of the day/week but doesn't feel the need to call
itself different names depending on who is watching at any given time.


Err - you are ignoring the importance of the EPG in viewing via digital
platforms - especially on Sky Digital and Digital Cable.

The BBC discovered that CBBC on Choice wasn't getting surfed by younger
viewers (i.e. Kids - the target audience) much as they were all surfing
around the Kids channels on Sky, and not finding BBC Choice (which was in
the general bit of the EPG)

By splitting the channels into Choice (now Three) and CBBC they were able to
split the EPG entries, and move CBBC (and Cbeebies) into the kids area of
the EPG - meaning surfing younger viewers were more likely to move from
Nickelodeon, Disney or Fox Kids to a CBBC/Cbeebies channel than if they
shared a single EPG entry with BBC 3 or 4.

It isn't the channel number that is important these days - it is the
position of the channel within the EPG (and also which channels it is close
to) Being one channel below Sky Movies 1 is not a bad location... (I think
that is why Sky Vegas is there?)

Back in the good old days of BBC Choice, kids TV (cbeebies) was on
Choice during the day and it switched to "adult" programming at 7pm.
But no changing of channels was necessary.

Yep - but fewer kids were watching the programmes on Choice as they didn't
find the outlet within the kids channels on the EPG (or by flicking up and
down as they surfed)


And in the case of CBBC and BBC3 the line that divides the
demographics is pretty blurry anyway - I don't see why it isn't just
called BBC 3 all day long. (Of course the Cbeebies/BBC 4 demographics
are not so close...)

Because Kids aren't watching Living TV or Plus as much as they are watching
Fox Kids or Nickelodeon - if CBBC was on 115 they wouldn't attract as many
of their target audience (and Sky is still the dominant Digital platform)


Feel free to dispute these statements.

I have!

Positioning a shared channel with different genre content and different
target audiences within the EPG is pretty important.

Steve

On 18 May 2004 14:14:39 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

Moldy k wrote in message . ..
On 18 May 2004 07:55:35 -0700, (Sean
O'Leathlobhair) wrote:

(Ricky) wrote in message om...
"uselesses" wrote in message ...

I`m sure there`s been times when I`ve turned on the TV and theres been
childrens programmes on all 4 BBC channels!

All 4? The BBC keep on telling us they have 8 channels...

I am constantly frustrated by all the kids TV programming on BBC News
24 and BBC Parliament.

;o)

Ric.

I forgot to comment on the "8 channels". This is where the thread
started. It seems to me that BBC3 and CBBC are really one channel
masquerading as two and BBC4 and CBeebies are another such pair. So
it may be more accurate to s
ay 6 channels since that is the maximum
choice you ever have.

Rubbish. They are separate, distinct channels which cater to a
different demographic.

As soon as you take your head out of your backside and realise that
Freeview is not your personal programming selection, its a national
service which caters for a multitude of demographics and tastes the
better. Stop complaining. Be thankful you don't have just 1 channel
full of state authorised propaganda.

Numpty

Good grief, what did I do to deserve that?

Erm not much really.


I was not even complaining, if you had read further down, you would
have seen me say that I was happy with the BBC3 / CBBC distinction.

Yes, I should have read on - my rant was more aimed at those in this
thread who are saying there should be no CBBC/CBEEBIES at all.


All I was doing was observing some odd behaviour of my STB and
counting channels. The STB sometimes confuses BBC3 and CBBC. There are
never more than 6 BBC channels active at one time. Do these
observations deserve your attack?

Not at all


Unless it is an apology, you are not welcome to reply to this, or any
other post of mine.


I hereby apologise Sean.

S


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