SKY FREE TO VIEW CARD ON EBAY

Charles Ellson wrote:

As to your remedies when the card is turned off you
are basically stuffed. Caveat emptor

Not in the consumer retail world. "Caveat emptor" was killed of many years ago.

Ebay think otherwise.

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Charles Ellson wrote:

And when there is no "sale" involved, as with the original FTV cards?

No consideration = no contract (generally) to put it simply, but
a) The consideration can be minimal (as with a "peppercorn" rent)
b) If the vendor/supplier uses a dedicated telephone number from which
income is derived, can they truly claim they receive no consideration?
By doing so, they have already imposed a financial burden on the
recipient of the card. They might argue that the two are not directly
connected, but I would suggest at least some analogy with the supply
of a so-called "free" gift with a purchase, in which case the law treats
the "free" gift in the same manner as the goods with which it was
supplied.

The BBC probably made a mistake by not using an 0800 number for this:
they aren't allowed to make any sort of charge for reception which is
why the FTV cards were free in the first place.

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 04:56:46 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:

As to your remedies when the card is turned off you
are basically stuffed. Caveat emptor

Not in the consumer retail world. "Caveat emptor" was killed of many years ago.

Ebay think otherwise.

Ebay isn't retail, it's an auction. Most UK consumer legislation
specifically excludes auctions from it's controls. Caveat emptor is
still alive and well.

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On Fri, 14 May 2004 20:42:22 +0200, Jim Watt wrote:

On Fri, 14 May 2004 08:12:28 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

I must be out of touch with the home country but what has he planned? I had
assumed that the proposed ID cards were like those in other EU states. There is
in any case already a de facto UK ID card in the photo driving license which has
a much better picture of me & no more information that my French ID card.

The proposal is for an id card more like a viewing card, with
a chip that can be read containing data about you, linked
to an authoritative computer database.

More like my French medical card (Carte Vitale) then.

Incidentally I've got to giggle at all the British banks promoting the increased
security of their new credit & debit cards "chip & PIN". They have been the norm
on the continent for decades. Mind you I do have one of these new cards from my
British bank but have yet to find anywhere to use it in the UK that has the
necessary machine to read it. Nobody looks at the signatures on the credit card
slips anymore so I may as well just sign it Mickey Mouse:-)

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:05:46 GMT, (QrizB) wrote:

On Sat, 15 May 2004 04:56:46 GMT, Jomtien wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:

As to your remedies when the card is turned off you
are basically stuffed. Caveat emptor

Not in the consumer retail world. "Caveat emptor" was killed of many years ago.

Ebay think otherwise.

Ebay isn't retail, it's an auction. Most UK consumer legislation
specifically excludes auctions from it's controls. Caveat emptor is
still alive and well.

Many items on Ebay clearly are not an auction viz all those 'Buy Now' items. I
think the point that Jomtien was making is that indeed Caveat emptor _is_ alive
& well & it is how Ebay fobs off all its defrauded punters.

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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On Sat, 15 May 2004 08:25:24 GMT, Nigel Barker wrote:

Nobody looks at the signatures on the credit card
slips anymore so I may as well just sign it Mickey Mouse:-)

Not sure they ever did, onetime I bought a rail ticket
and the clerk looked at the signature on the slip and the
card. I felt anxious at that point as realised I used
the girlfriends card. She never noticed the name
and sex was different.

The Americans use pin numbers on ATM cards at the
supermarket without a chip.

However, its a sneaky way of introducing 'big brother'
into the UK with ID cards that will be way in advance
of other countries.
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Nigel Barker wrote:

Incidentally I've got to giggle at all the British banks promoting the increased
security of their new credit & debit cards "chip & PIN". They have been the norm
on the continent for decades. Mind you I do have one of these new cards from my
British bank but have yet to find anywhere to use it in the UK that has the
necessary machine to read it.
FYI - my local Safeway in London has the kit and 2 of my last 3
purchases there were "signed" with it (the middle one wasn't becuase
they said that there were having a few teething problems.
--
Rgds
Paul Webster

On Sat, 15 May 2004 13:00:24 +0000 (UTC), Paul Webster
wrote:

Nigel Barker wrote:

Incidentally I've got to giggle at all the British banks promoting the increased
security of their new credit & debit cards "chip & PIN". They have been the norm
on the continent for decades. Mind you I do have one of these new cards from my
British bank but have yet to find anywhere to use it in the UK that has the
necessary machine to read it.
FYI - my local Safeway in London has the kit and 2 of my last 3
purchases there were "signed" with it (the middle one wasn't becuase
they said that there were having a few teething problems.

My local safeway also has the kit in, as I received the PIN
yesterday might try it on Sunday.
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QrizB wrote:

Not in the consumer retail world. "Caveat emptor" was killed of many years ago.

Ebay think otherwise.

Ebay isn't retail, it's an auction. Most UK consumer legislation
specifically excludes auctions from it's controls. Caveat emptor is
still alive and well.

I am still waiting for Ebay or anyone else to explain to me how a "buy
it now" auction with a fixed price and numerous identical items on
offer can be described as anything other than retail. I suspect that I
may have a long wait.

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Charles Ellson wrote:

Not in the consumer retail world. "Caveat emptor" was killed of many years
ago.

Ebay think otherwise.

Ebay don't make UK laws.

Maybe not, though they do make their own laws and do little to
acknowledge the existence of any other ones.


If the vendor is in the UK and is a trader
then it is a consumer retail sale. "Caveat emptor" generally only applies
to private sales, but the seller is not necessarily devoid of all liability.

I think that "buyer beware" is just as valid today as it ever was.
Perhaps even more so. Consumer protection doesn't stop people selling
rubbish, it just makes it easier to get your money back, always
supposing that you can find the vendor and can avoid being hoodwinked
with some story about "no refunds" or other attempts to side-step your
legal rights. Many vendors still try it on: not least Sky.

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