not got a plasma yet ;o)

"Jomtien" wrote in message
...

This is the crux of it. No-one cares much about current DVD quality
recordings anymore as anyone with a PC and some free ripping software
can make a perfect DVD backup in an hour.

Who the hell would want to copy the DOGS displayed all over the screen or
worse still the Red dots ?
Sky would take the best technology and ruin it with their own bit of sh*t as
they've done up to press.

The question then comes as to how Sky will allow us to make recordings
for
later-viewing.

On an HD Sky+, surely. That or a DVD recorder that has in-built DRM
and an HDMI input.

I doubt somehow any of this would actually improve the constant
repeats,Adverts,Promos and on-screen junk

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The reason DVD's are so easily copiable nowadays, is because they use a
relatively weak encryption method. If a stronger non-crackable encryption
method (which is perfectly easy to create) had been chosen then it would be
literally impossible to copy them.

So why not develop such a system for Sky?

Alan Truelove wrote:
The reason DVD's are so easily copiable nowadays, is because they use
a relatively weak encryption method. If a stronger non-crackable
encryption method (which is perfectly easy to create)

Of course it is, that's why everybody uses it.

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ThePunisher

"ThePunisher" wrote in message
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Alan Truelove wrote:
The reason DVD's are so easily copiable nowadays, is because they use
a relatively weak encryption method. If a stronger non-crackable
encryption method (which is perfectly easy to create)

Of course it is, that's why everybody uses it.




ever heard of PGP ? - just 1 example?


or... ever been able to buy a pirate sky digital card?



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Gareth.
my Dad took me out for the evening and some girl was being a right
embarrassment
trying to get off with him, i had to pretend that i was his girlfreind
so that the stupid bitch would leave him alone, and we had a right
good laugh ahout it too.
'varizo' 26th Nov 04
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"the dog from that film you saw"
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"ThePunisher" wrote in message
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Alan Truelove wrote:
The reason DVD's are so easily copiable nowadays, is because they use
a relatively weak encryption method. If a stronger non-crackable
encryption method (which is perfectly easy to create)

Of course it is, that's why everybody uses it.




ever heard of PGP ? - just 1 example?


or... ever been able to buy a pirate sky digital card?

Purchase a clue.

PGP depends on a private/public key system - if both parts of the key are
public then it isn't pretty good privacy but pretty **** privacy. Your
comparison is flawed.

The Sky viewing card is hardware.

Almost every mainstream CD/DVD copy protection or broadcast system
(including Macrovision) has been cracked or bypassed - including those
relating to audio, video and game data. In some cases a hardware mod - as in
the case of PS2 and XBox - is needed.

Sky's move is designed to appease copyright owners and nothing else.

Gareth.

"Gareth" wrote in message
...

Almost every mainstream CD/DVD copy protection or broadcast system
(including Macrovision) has been cracked or bypassed - including those
relating to audio, video and game data. In some cases a hardware mod - as
in the case of PS2 and XBox - is needed.

But as a previous poster said, no-one has yet cracked Sky's viewing card
system - so why not use that (or a similar system) for the new DVD's???

"Alan Truelove" wrote in message
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"Gareth" wrote in message
...

Almost every mainstream CD/DVD copy protection or broadcast system
(including Macrovision) has been cracked or bypassed - including those
relating to audio, video and game data. In some cases a hardware mod - as
in the case of PS2 and XBox - is needed.

But as a previous poster said, no-one has yet cracked Sky's viewing card
system - so why not use that (or a similar system) for the new DVD's???



dvds were cracked by someone reverse engineering a dvd related program for
the pc - otherwise we might still be waiting.



--
Gareth.
my Dad took me out for the evening and some girl was being a right
embarrassment
trying to get off with him, i had to pretend that i was his girlfreind
so that the stupid bitch would leave him alone, and we had a right
good laugh ahout it too.
'varizo' 26th Nov 04
http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/dsbmusic/

"the dog from that film you saw"
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But as a previous poster said, no-one has yet cracked Sky's viewing card
system - so why not use that (or a similar system) for the new DVD's???

dvds were cracked by someone reverse engineering a dvd related program for
the pc - otherwise we might still be waiting.

And your point is....???

The encryption on DVD's is mathematically weak. Check out what your
average FBI agency uses, and you'll crack up laughing when comparing it yo
the encryption on DVD's.

Alan Truelove wrote:

The reason DVD's are so easily copiable nowadays, is because they use a
relatively weak encryption method. If a stronger non-crackable encryption
method (which is perfectly easy to create) had been chosen then it would be
literally impossible to copy them.

Anything one man can invent another can crack. It's only a question of
desire v. effort.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Alan Truelove wrote:

But as a previous poster said, no-one has yet cracked Sky's viewing card
system - so why not use that (or a similar system) for the new DVD's???

Because it requires a card.

The reason that VideoGuard hasn't been (publicly) hacked is that
hackers gave their attention to other systems that were easier (and
which showed more desirable programmes). Also they were apparently
aided in this by NDS themselves. Also there probably just weren't that
many hackers who were interested enough in UK Sky TV to bother hacking
it. After you've gone to all the trouble you still only end up with a
rather low quality digital signal of a picture covered with DOGs and
adverts.

DVDs and such-like are a much more attractive target as the encryption
system used is universal and allows for perfect copying world-wide
once broken.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/6u4p9
How to get UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
Fed up with logos / red buttons? : http://logofreetv.org/
BBC gone? : http://www.astra2d.co.uk/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)