The Sky RED DOT that doesn't go away - FFS!

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:22:47 GMT, Geoff Rimmer
wrote:

(David Marshall) writes:

Um, interactive services aren't recorded (and can't be recorded as
they're possibly time-sensitive). A "Press Red" indicator would be
meaningless for many time-shifted programmes.

But does the picture from the "VCR output" scart (intended for
recording of programmes) of a Sky box contain the red dot?

In the case of Digiboxes, I don't think there's any fundamental
difference between the output of the "TV" and "VCR" SCARTS (for the
old analogue boxes, the volume control on the remote worked on the
audio output from "TV"). I think they just label them like that
simply to avoid confusing people who would ring up help lines asking
which one they plug the VCR into....
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In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

Pressing 'backup' is not an answer, as on the BBC it comes back every 30 mins
(eg. News 24) and on commercial TV it comes back after the ad break.

Those "red dot zappers" are not the answer as they don't get rid of a problem
that shouldn't be happening in the first place.

Given that this is happening across several TV platforms and across several
makes of digibox, who exactly is to blame? I'm prepared to shift heaven and
earth to put a stop to this

As far as the BBC is concerned, there is a very easy answer. These dots do
not appear if you use a real satellite receiver (or PVR receiver).

You mean Sky+?

No.

In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

In article , rnet[dot]co
[dot]uk says...
In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

Pressing 'backup' is not an answer, as on the BBC it comes back every 30 mins
(eg. News 24) and on commercial TV it comes back after the ad break.

Those "red dot zappers" are not the answer as they don't get rid of a problem
that shouldn't be happening in the first place.

Given that this is happening across several TV platforms and across several
makes of digibox, who exactly is to blame? I'm prepared to shift heaven and
earth to put a stop to this

As far as the BBC is concerned, there is a very easy answer. These dots do
not appear if you use a real satellite receiver (or PVR receiver).

You mean Sky+?

No.

In article , says...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:22:53 +0000, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon
Gardner) wrote:

As far as the BBC is concerned, there is a very easy answer. These dots do
not appear if you use a real satyellite receiver (or PVR receiver).

They disappear after about 30 seconds on Freeview DVB-T.

Not always. On my Nokia 9850T Mediamaster, they keep them on there on any BBC
News output.
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In article , says...
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:22:53 +0000, rnet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon
Gardner) wrote:

As far as the BBC is concerned, there is a very easy answer. These dots do
not appear if you use a real satyellite receiver (or PVR receiver).

They disappear after about 30 seconds on Freeview DVB-T.

Not always. On my Nokia 9850T Mediamaster, they keep them on there on any BBC
News output.
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David Marshall wrote:

In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

What does surprise me is that Sky never took the opportunity to be complete
*******s towards Sky+ owners by making the red dot appear similarly. Since
they were a complete **** to everyone else, I don't understand their logic
here.


Um, interactive services aren't recorded (and can't be recorded as they're
possibly time-sensitive). A "Press Red" indicator would be meaningless for
many time-shifted programmes.

Dave

More likely it isn't about time sensitivity. Some interactive content
lives on another channel so there is no point recording / showing the
red dot because it wouldn't work.

David Marshall wrote:

In article ,
Dom Robinson wrote:

What does surprise me is that Sky never took the opportunity to be complete
*******s towards Sky+ owners by making the red dot appear similarly. Since
they were a complete **** to everyone else, I don't understand their logic
here.


Um, interactive services aren't recorded (and can't be recorded as they're
possibly time-sensitive). A "Press Red" indicator would be meaningless for
many time-shifted programmes.

Dave

More likely it isn't about time sensitivity. Some interactive content
lives on another channel so there is no point recording / showing the
red dot because it wouldn't work.

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
t...
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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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Today it finally got to Panasonic boxes

Seems so .. my Panasonic DB40 was sitting powered off early this
morning ..
I think mine's a DB30. It's the silver Panasonic and is nearly 4 years
old.

What does red-then-backup do for you?

errr - takes me into interactive and then out again ...

Pressing 'backup' is not an answer, as on the BBC it comes back every
30
mins
(eg. News 24) and on commercial TV it comes back after the ad break.

Works for me .. If I start on channel (purely for example) 551 and
switch to
101 and let the EPG disappear of its own accord (i.e dont press BACKUP
to
remove it) the channel comes on and no red-dot .. as for any other
channel I
haven't (in about 2.5hrs of use) been able to make a red-dot appear on
SkyOne or ITV1 or 2 .. however I did get a message about my phone line
being
disconnected when I started the box back up .. I wonder if I reconnect
the
phone line will it (the box) detect it and give me red-dots willy nilly
...
and maybe if you unplug your phone lines it will remove your
red-dottiness
... maybe ...

Depends on the channel. Sky One don't show the red dot like they used to
(they
were absolute *******s for it but just tell people about the fact
press-red
content is available, which is the perfect option)

Try BBC News 24.

Grrr ... yes see what you mean .. BACKUP makes it vanish .. but only for
like 30 mins ..

Given that this is happening across several TV platforms and across
several
makes of digibox, who exactly is to blame? I'm prepared to shift
heaven
and
earth to put a stop to this but just need to know who to start with.

James Murdoch ...

Good start

another couple of good names would be Tessa Jowell (Secretary of State for
Culture, Media & Sport) and Lord McIntosh of Haringey (Minister For
Broadcasting) at the Department for Culture Media & Sport and Julie
Kirkbride MP (Shadow Minister For Broadcasting) ...

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
t...
Today it finally got to Panasonic boxes

Seems so .. my Panasonic DB40 was sitting powered off early this
morning ..
I think mine's a DB30. It's the silver Panasonic and is nearly 4 years
old.

What does red-then-backup do for you?

errr - takes me into interactive and then out again ...

Pressing 'backup' is not an answer, as on the BBC it comes back every
30
mins
(eg. News 24) and on commercial TV it comes back after the ad break.

Works for me .. If I start on channel (purely for example) 551 and
switch to
101 and let the EPG disappear of its own accord (i.e dont press BACKUP
to
remove it) the channel comes on and no red-dot .. as for any other
channel I
haven't (in about 2.5hrs of use) been able to make a red-dot appear on
SkyOne or ITV1 or 2 .. however I did get a message about my phone line
being
disconnected when I started the box back up .. I wonder if I reconnect
the
phone line will it (the box) detect it and give me red-dots willy nilly
...
and maybe if you unplug your phone lines it will remove your
red-dottiness
... maybe ...

Depends on the channel. Sky One don't show the red dot like they used to
(they
were absolute *******s for it but just tell people about the fact
press-red
content is available, which is the perfect option)

Try BBC News 24.

Grrr ... yes see what you mean .. BACKUP makes it vanish .. but only for
like 30 mins ..

Given that this is happening across several TV platforms and across
several
makes of digibox, who exactly is to blame? I'm prepared to shift
heaven
and
earth to put a stop to this but just need to know who to start with.

James Murdoch ...

Good start

another couple of good names would be Tessa Jowell (Secretary of State for
Culture, Media & Sport) and Lord McIntosh of Haringey (Minister For
Broadcasting) at the Department for Culture Media & Sport and Julie
Kirkbride MP (Shadow Minister For Broadcasting) ...

In article , newzgroupzN0
says...
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
t...
Today it finally got to Panasonic boxes

Get rid of the DOGS as well while you're at it.



One step at a time, Martin.
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