TiVo causes TV to display only B&W

"Top Spin" wrote in message
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For example, if the unit works properly (as in (a) above), then where
is the problem if not in the TiVo box?


Damn. You're a thick one.

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:14:14 -0600, "Kenneth"
wrote:


"Top Spin" wrote in message
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For example, if the unit works properly (as in (a) above), then where
is the problem if not in the TiVo box?


Damn. You're a thick one.

I supposed that is possible, but neither you nor Chris have answered
the question. You keep telling me how stupid I am, but you don't
answer the question.

All of my gear (TV, cable box, cable signal, coax cables, RCA cables,
whatever) works fine without the TiVo box installed. Maybe I'm too
thick, but that seems to eliminate all of those components.

As far as I can tell, the only thing left is the TiVo box. Everything
else has been tested and found to be working. In addition, I had a
different TiVo box installed with those same components for almost a
year without any problems.

But Chris keeps telling me to take it over to the neighbors and test
it there. I can't figure out why and he won't tell me. He just keeps
calling me names. Now you are calling me names, too, so maybe it's
true. But, thick as I am, I just can't see what we will learn from
testing the TiVo box in another house.

As I see it, there are 2 possibilities: (1) it works and (2) it
doesn't.

From my thickness, it seems to me that we have already shown it is the
TiVo box that is bad, so we should always get outcome #2. Right?

So here's the question that you guys won't answer. (Unless, of course,
I am too thick to get it.)

What would it mean if the TiVo worked next door? Now we have a
situation where my gear is good and the TiVo box is also good. So
everything is good. Why doesn't it work on my gear? (Same question in
different words.)

I'm starting to think that maybe you don't know the answer and you are
covering it up with hostility. ?


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Using a TiVo Series 2 (TCD24008A)
Connected to Comcast Digital Cable (basic)
OS: Win 2K SP-4 (5.00.2195)
Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com
(11/03/04)

As I see it, there are 2 possibilities: (1) it works and (2) it
doesn't.

From my thickness, it seems to me that we have already shown it is the
TiVo box that is bad, so we should always get outcome #2. Right?

Have you ever heard of corroborating (sp?) evidence? What these guys
are saying is that you are most likely correct, *however* since there
are many variables (particularly since they can't see or touch the
device), they can't say that for certain. To further test your
conclusion they are recommending *verifying* it by hooking the TiVO to
another TV to see if it happens there.

You may not need to do this for proof, but it certainly would remove all
doubt.

Randy S.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:18:15 -0500, "Randy S."
wrote:

As I see it, there are 2 possibilities: (1) it works and (2) it
doesn't.

From my thickness, it seems to me that we have already shown it is the
TiVo box that is bad, so we should always get outcome #2. Right?

Have you ever heard of corroborating (sp?) evidence? What these guys
are saying is that you are most likely correct, *however* since there
are many variables (particularly since they can't see or touch the
device), they can't say that for certain. To further test your
conclusion they are recommending *verifying* it by hooking the TiVO to
another TV to see if it happens there.

You may not need to do this for proof, but it certainly would remove all
doubt.

We would have corroborating evidence ONLY if it fails on the other TV.

But what if it works just fine on the other TV? Then we would have
CONFLICTING evidence. I am just trying to find out what that would
mean. What does it mean if it works on the other TV? A real expert
would have a hypothesis for either outcome.

Depending on the hypothesis in this scenario, there might be something
I can do with my setup and I might want to try that before bothering
my neighbors.


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Using a TiVo Series 2 (TCD24008A)
Connected to Comcast Digital Cable (basic)
OS: Win 2K SP-4 (5.00.2195)
Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com
(11/03/04)

We would have corroborating evidence ONLY if it fails on the other TV.

Very true.

But what if it works just fine on the other TV? Then we would have
CONFLICTING evidence. I am just trying to find out what that would
mean. What does it mean if it works on the other TV? A real expert
would have a hypothesis for either outcome.

This is my take. The problem you are describing is very symptomatic of
a bad video cable or cable connection, either on your TiVO or TV.
*However*, you have done a very complete job of testing the various
cables and connections that seem to rule them out. This seems to be an
odd problem to be caused by a bad TiVO (usually TiVo problems would be a
bad HDD or complete failure), though hardly impossible. The solution to
a bad TiVO is sending it in for repair or replacement which will take
time and would be a waste if it turns out not to be the problem, so it
should be the solution of last resort. Checking on another set is just
insurance that you are not wasting your time. If the hypothesis is
corroborated, then you can send it in with the good feeling that you are
*not* wasting your time. If the evidence is contradictory then you can
spend more time investigating other possiblities (like heat,
interference, etc.) The idea in that situation would be to list any or
all differences between your home setup and the test setup, and
investigate those differences individually.


Depending on the hypothesis in this scenario, there might be something
I can do with my setup and I might want to try that before bothering
my neighbors.

I think most people probably assumed you had another set somewhere in
the house Most people do these days, even if it's a 13" for use in the
office/workshop/kitchen/bedroom.

Randy S.

I just read a thread in a tivo community forum that had over 300 posts on this
topic. This had happened to MANY people before us. It was in the tivo box.
Nothing I read came up with a solution.

On 04 Jan 2005 17:21:42 GMT, (Reid1boys) wrote:

I just read a thread in a tivo community forum that had over 300 posts on this
topic. This had happened to MANY people before us. It was in the tivo box.
Nothing I read came up with a solution.

That is disturbing. I have contacted weaKnees and they were not that
responsive. They suggested I test the cables, which I did. They then
told me to go out and buy an S-Video cable and see if that solves the
problem. I haven't had a chance to do that yet.

I don't mind doing some reasonable tests myself before sending it
back, but I would have appreciated hearing that this is a common
problem. The attitude I got from them was that it was not their
problem and please go away.

I will still try the S-Video cable, but it's probably going back to
weaKnees. So far, they have not made a happy customer.

Thanks for the information from the tivo community forum.

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Using a TiVo Series 2 (TCD24008A)
Connected to Comcast Digital Cable (basic)
OS: Win 2K SP-4 (5.00.2195)
Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com
(11/03/04)

"Top Spin" wrote in message
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What would it mean if the TiVo worked next door? Now we have a
situation where my gear is good and the TiVo box is also good. So
everything is good. Why doesn't it work on my gear? (Same question in
different words.)

I'm starting to think that maybe you don't know the answer and you are
covering it up with hostility. ?

No, you idjit, I've been VERY OPEN about the fact that I don't know the
answer if that happens. I believe I said exactly that in my last post. My
suggestions were never geared towards learning something if that happens.
They were geared towards CONFIRMING CONCLUSIVELY what you already believe to
be true, and in fact I'll wager you wouldn't be getting the runaround from
Weaknees if you'd listened.

But you didn't. And now Weaknees doesn't want to help you, because there is
a BIG HOLE in your testing. Guess where. "I've tried everything else, so it
MUST be that" doesn't cut it in the world of electronics. Shocking.

You've made this bed yourself. Lie down.
--
Chris Lemon

http://fredsmythe.com
EFNet: FredSmyth

I have seen so many posts on this topic, and in a tivo forum I read a post that
had over 300 replies to this topic. With this many problems(myslef included) it
isnt lose wires, bad tvs, or anything else.

it is in the tivo itslef, and I have seen nowhere what the solution is.

Reid1boys wrote:
I have seen so many posts on this topic, and in a tivo forum I read a
post that
had over 300 replies to this topic. With this many problems(myslef
included) it
isnt lose wires, bad tvs, or anything else.

it is in the tivo itslef, and I have seen nowhere what the solution
is.

Is this thread still going on? Jeesh.

If you have a problem with something, typically one would talk
with either the retailer or manufacturer of what you are having
a problem with.

If you think your TiVo has a problem, talk to either the company
you bought it from or TiVo themselves. Posting here isn't going
to fix it for you.