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Richard Steiner wrote:
Here in alt.video.ptv.replaytv, Nilly spake unto us, saying:


Richard Steiner wrote:


Nope. My ReplayTV 5040 works with a standard analog cable connection
and an ethernet connection (I plugged a standard CAT5 cable in, gave it
a fixed IP address and pointed it at my Linux firewall/gateway box).

Which is a non-point, as you can connect a series 2 SA Tivo to an
ethernet network too (it takse a USB-ethernet or wireless adaptor, and
the box's first setup by phoneline to get proper drivers for ethernet)


I was simply explaining the general nature of my physical connections
to the OP, since that person seemed to possess inaccurate information
about the nature and capabilities of a normal ReplayTV.

Which for all intents and purposes is the same as a Series 2 SA Tivo,
with the miniscule fact that Ethernet is an add-on low cost USB ethernet
adaptor.

Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually purchase a
USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a TiVo...?


True, but they are dirt cheap anyway.

A ReplayTV requires no separate adaptor -- it has one already built in.



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Richard Steiner wrote:


Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually purchase a
USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a TiVo...?

A ReplayTV requires no separate adaptor -- it has one already built in.

Unless you want *wireless* ethernet, in which case even a Replay will
need an adapter.


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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:23:01 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
wrote:

Richard Steiner wrote:


Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually purchase a
USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a TiVo...?

A ReplayTV requires no separate adaptor -- it has one already built in.

Unless you want *wireless* ethernet, in which case even a Replay will
need an adapter.

And it's still better if you make a wired ethernet connection.

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What kind of problems have you had with the wireless? My friend's house
didn't have any cabling (other than the TV coax) anywhere near his TV
nor could one be readily installed. We put in a wireless bridge and it's
been flawless. He only uses it for the daily update and has never tried
show sharing. Are there problems?

From:Mark Lloyd
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:23:01 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
wrote:

Richard Steiner wrote:


Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually
purchase a USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a
TiVo...?

A ReplayTV requires no separate adaptor -- it has one already built
in.

Unless you want *wireless* ethernet, in which case even a Replay will
need an adapter.

And it's still better if you make a wired ethernet connection.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:04:14 GMT, "BruceR"
wrote:

What kind of problems have you had with the wireless?

Sometimes it feels it would be easier to list the problems I HAVEN'T
had with wireless. It's a complicated and slow system. Most A/V
wireless systems have serious interferance problems. Wireless ethernet
can get around most of those (transmission unreliability) problems, by
making the connection significantly slower (large amounts of
redundancy and retransmission).

My friend's house
didn't have any cabling (other than the TV coax) anywhere near his TV
nor could one be readily installed.

Cable is best not left on the floor, but an installation doesn't have
to be nearly as complex as many think.

We put in a wireless bridge and it's
been flawless. He only uses it for the daily update and has never tried
show sharing. Are there problems?


It'll work fine for that, as long as it works. Also, don't confuse
internet show sharing with local streaming. They aren't the same
thing.

The real speed you get will be no more that about 60% of what is
advertised (very high overhead). That will be available only if the
wireless units are very close together (range varies greatly with
location, but may be less than 30 feet for full speed).

There's also potential security problems, since you're making your
network accessible from outside.

This is a lot to give up just to avoid one cable.

From:Mark Lloyd


On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:23:01 -0600, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
wrote:

Richard Steiner wrote:


Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually
purchase a USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a
TiVo...?

A ReplayTV requires no separate adaptor -- it has one already built
in.

Unless you want *wireless* ethernet, in which case even a Replay will
need an adapter.

And it's still better if you make a wired ethernet connection.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh


--
Mark Lloyd
http://go.to/notstupid
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

Both standalone Tivo and ReplayTVs require separate decoder boxes to receive
DirecTV -- or any other digital provider's -- signals. However, DirecTV
offers their Tivo-based DVR, which beats standalones due to:

- 2 "tuners"
- improved quality of recorded shows (all digital)
- tight pay-per-view integration
- cheaper fee model ($5 monthly for unlimited units vs $13/mo per unit)

But ReplayTV provides networking features unavailable in either the DirecTV
Tivo (non-existent) or standalone Tivo.

Which device you prefer/need all depends on what you're looking to do, and
what content provider you're going through.



"Bill Davison" wrote in message
...
Except, as I understand it, Replay must be used in conjunction with the
DirecTV satellite box while Tivo is both a recorder and a receiver. Is
that
correct?

I do think Replay has an edge in features by having a 30-second skip
ahead
button rather that the Tivo's fast forward.

BruceR wrote:

I'd say it's right on the money and applies to ReplayTV as well.

From:Ablang


[Author: latest TIVO ad emailed to me. Anyone care to comment?]

A Study in Life B.T. and A.T.

A staggering 89% of TiVo subscribers say it's frustrating to watch TV
"the old way." Some even go so far as to divide their life as "B.T"
(Before TiVo) and "A.T." (After TiVo). Upon further investigation*,
we think we figured out why.

TiVo subscribers enjoy TV more A.T. (After TiVo).

90% channel surf less.
78% no longer miss portions of TV shows due to interruptions (just
pause live TV!).
69% get more out of their cable and satellite services with the TiVo
service. 54% watch better quality, more entertaining and more
interesting programs.
VCRs-Going the way of the dinosaur?

85% no longer use a VCR to record television-probably because 78%
find the TiVo service more reliable than a VCR.
TiVo is easy to use.

73% find TiVo easier to use than a DVD player; 50% find it easier
than a microwave!

Buy TiVo Today!
Newsweek called it a "lifestyle phenomenon." Miranda on "Sex in the
City" gave it "boyfriend" status. But YOU won't believe the
life-altering effects of a TiVo® Series2T DVR until you try it
yourself. If you're not convinced it's one of the best purchases
you've ever made, we'll give you your money back. Prices start as low
as $149**! (Which reminds us... no wonder 87% of subscribers believe
TiVo is worth about the same or more than they paid for it!)

"TiVo means having my favorite shows at my fingertips, all the time. I
can't believe it isn't in everyone's house. To me it's a no-brainer."
-Tina B., South Lyon, MI
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:58:24 GMT, "Karl Kaufman"
wrote:

Both standalone Tivo and ReplayTVs require separate decoder boxes to receive
DirecTV -- or any other digital provider's -- signals. However, DirecTV
offers their Tivo-based DVR, which beats standalones due to:

- 2 "tuners"
- improved quality of recorded shows (all digital)

It's more digital (fewer ADC & DAC conversions) but cannot be "all
digital" since the original source is analog (except for things that
are just computer generated).

- tight pay-per-view integration

That is an advantage.

- cheaper fee model ($5 monthly for unlimited units vs $13/mo per unit)


Don't forget lifetime activation.

But ReplayTV provides networking features unavailable in either the DirecTV
Tivo (non-existent) or standalone Tivo.


And will record signals other than THAT satellite service. You might
consider that many people ARE NOT ALLOWED to subscribe to local
channels on satellite (reverse overpopulation discrimination) and/or
have other sources they want to record.

Which device you prefer/need all depends on what you're looking to do, and
what content provider you're going through.



"Bill Davison" wrote in message
...
Except, as I understand it, Replay must be used in conjunction with the
DirecTV satellite box while Tivo is both a recorder and a receiver. Is
that
correct?

I do think Replay has an edge in features by having a 30-second skip
ahead
button rather that the Tivo's fast forward.

BruceR wrote:

I'd say it's right on the money and applies to ReplayTV as well.

From:Ablang


[Author: latest TIVO ad emailed to me. Anyone care to comment?]

A Study in Life B.T. and A.T.

A staggering 89% of TiVo subscribers say it's frustrating to watch TV
"the old way." Some even go so far as to divide their life as "B.T"
(Before TiVo) and "A.T." (After TiVo). Upon further investigation*,
we think we figured out why.

TiVo subscribers enjoy TV more A.T. (After TiVo).

90% channel surf less.
78% no longer miss portions of TV shows due to interruptions (just
pause live TV!).
69% get more out of their cable and satellite services with the TiVo
service. 54% watch better quality, more entertaining and more
interesting programs.
VCRs-Going the way of the dinosaur?

85% no longer use a VCR to record television-probably because 78%
find the TiVo service more reliable than a VCR.
TiVo is easy to use.

73% find TiVo easier to use than a DVD player; 50% find it easier
than a microwave!

Buy TiVo Today!
Newsweek called it a "lifestyle phenomenon." Miranda on "Sex in the
City" gave it "boyfriend" status. But YOU won't believe the
life-altering effects of a TiVo® Series2T DVR until you try it
yourself. If you're not convinced it's one of the best purchases
you've ever made, we'll give you your money back. Prices start as low
as $149**! (Which reminds us... no wonder 87% of subscribers believe
TiVo is worth about the same or more than they paid for it!)

"TiVo means having my favorite shows at my fingertips, all the time. I
can't believe it isn't in everyone's house. To me it's a no-brainer."
-Tina B., South Lyon, MI
--
"Politics does not make strange bedfellows. Marriage does."
-- Groucho Marx

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Gary wrote:

On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:58:24 GMT, "Karl Kaufman"
wrote:


Both standalone Tivo and ReplayTVs require separate decoder boxes to receive
DirecTV -- or any other digital provider's -- signals. However, DirecTV
offers their Tivo-based DVR, which beats standalones due to:

- 2 "tuners"
- improved quality of recorded shows (all digital)


It's more digital (fewer ADC & DAC conversions) but cannot be "all
digital" since the original source is analog (except for things that
are just computer generated).



The point being, that as far as the home system, there isnt
decoding/encoding to get the program on the HDD as there would be with a
separate receiver/DVR setup, the satellite bitstream goes directly to
the HDD.

- tight pay-per-view integration


That is an advantage.


- cheaper fee model ($5 monthly for unlimited units vs $13/mo per unit)



Don't forget lifetime activation.


DirecTivos don't have lifetime anymore.


But ReplayTV provides networking features unavailable in either the DirecTV
Tivo (non-existent) or standalone Tivo.



And will record signals other than THAT satellite service. You might
consider that many people ARE NOT ALLOWED to subscribe to local
channels on satellite (reverse overpopulation discrimination) and/or
have other sources they want to record.


Speaking of any SA DVR of course.



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Richard Steiner wrote:
Besides, I was under the impression that one has to actually purchase a
USB ethernet adaptor if one wants to use ethernet with a TiVo...?

For Series 2, yes. For an older Series 1 box (what I have), you buy a NIC
that hooks to the diagnostic connector (looks like the edge connector on a
PCI card, but isn't) on the TiVo motherboard. If you can install a NIC in
your computer, you can install one in your TiVo. (In some ways, it's even
simpler...the driver is built-in and setup is almost entirely plug-and-play
if you have a DHCP server someplace on your network. You only need to
change the dialing prefix to ,#401 to get it to start pulling updates
through your LAN instead of through the built-in modem.)

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Gary shaped the electrons to say:
It's more digital (fewer ADC & DAC conversions) but cannot be "all
digital" since the original source is analog (except for things that
are just computer generated).

Well, there is always analog in that the light entering the camera is
analog. But I believe some shows are recorded in digital video
formats these days, so in theory a show could be digital from the
moment the light hits the camera's sensor until the decoder box in the
home converts it back to analog for the TV. (And with the HD
DirecTiVo, that could be digital all the way to the TV itself.)

- cheaper fee model ($5 monthly for unlimited units vs $13/mo per unit)
Don't forget lifetime activation.

DirecTV no longer offers lifetime, but yes, it is available on
standalone units.

And will record signals other than THAT satellite service. You might
consider that many people ARE NOT ALLOWED to subscribe to local
channels on satellite (reverse overpopulation discrimination) and/or
have other sources they want to record.

While it is rather expensive at this time, the HD DirecTiVo unit also
lets you record local OTA ATSC broadcasts. So that's a nice option.
No analog sources though.

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