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On 29/07/2019 12:49, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I'm a bit confused here - who charges whom for what? Do you mean the
"home charging points" you can pay to have installed? (I imagine most,
or at least a lot, of the cost of those is the labour, not the parts.)

They tend to charge extra if you want to be able to connect a fast DC
charger. They charge a fortune for what is about £20 worth of sensors.

On 29/07/2019 13:52, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

One thing that has puzzled me about a vaguely related technology: why
have I so far never seen a photovoltaic solar panel _built into_ a roof,
rather than bolted on top of it? (Maybe they exist and I just haven't
seen them.)

If you saw them you wouldn't recognise them as solar panels.

https://www.cupapizarras.com/uk/thermoslate/
is one example, though there are other makes and suppliers. They look
like a traditional slate roof but they are solar panels which generate
electricity at about the same rate as the more common "on top of the
roof surface" variety.

They are a bit dearer than the normal type, but they are used on listed
buildings because they look like a traditional roof. Marlborough
College is roofed in a mix of real slate and solar slates and you can't
see the difference.

Jim

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 14:55:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 29/07/2019 13:52, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[snip]
One thing that has puzzled me about a vaguely related technology: why
have I so far never seen a photovoltaic solar panel _built into_ a roof,
rather than bolted on top of it? (Maybe they exist and I just haven't
seen them.)

Because you will need to remove thenm to sell te house

[snip]

There is a large new "village" called Buckshaw near Chorley in
Lancashire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckshaw_Village. There are
to be 2000 houses built on the old ROF site. Passing on the train
there are many new build houses with inbuilt solar panels. Very neat
they look too.

--
brightside S9

In message , Indy Jess John
writes:
On 29/07/2019 13:52, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

One thing that has puzzled me about a vaguely related technology: why
have I so far never seen a photovoltaic solar panel _built into_ a roof,
rather than bolted on top of it? (Maybe they exist and I just haven't
seen them.)

If you saw them you wouldn't recognise them as solar panels.

https://www.cupapizarras.com/uk/thermoslate/
is one example, though there are other makes and suppliers. They look
like a traditional slate roof but they are solar panels which generate
electricity at about the same rate as the more common "on top of the
roof surface" variety.

They are a bit dearer than the normal type, but they are used on listed
buildings because they look like a traditional roof. Marlborough
College is roofed in a mix of real slate and solar slates and you can't
see the difference.

Jim

I'm delighted to hear it (and brightside's post too).

I presume they're a bit dearer as they have to include roof structure as
well as just the solar panel bit.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.

In message , "[email protected]"
writes:
On 29/07/2019 12:49, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I'm a bit confused here - who charges whom for what? Do you mean the
"home charging points" you can pay to have installed? (I imagine most,
or at least a lot, of the cost of those is the labour, not the parts.)

They tend to charge extra if you want to be able to connect a fast DC
charger. They charge a fortune for what is about £20 worth of sensors.

I thought there were basically three sorts of charger - standard, which
used up to 13A and was for overnight; "fast", which was about twice that
(7.7 kW seems to be a popular figure, for some reason), and about 4-6
hours; and "rapid", which does 30-60 minutes. (Plus some even faster,
but possibly only for Teslas.) [Obviously those charge times are just a
rule of thumb - they'll vary for different cars/vehicles depending on
battery size, and of course also how empty it is.]

I thought for at-home use, the standard charger involved plugging the
car into a normal 3-pin plug, not needing any fitting of equipment
(provided you had a suitable socket somewhere), and that the sort you
paid to have fitted were the "fast" 7.7 kW ones (and that the really
"rapid" ones weren't feasible on a domestic setup, only at places like
motorway service stations or petrol/diesel outlets). With the "standard"
ones fittable at kerbside - with, presumably, a different connector if
only to stop people plugging anything in - by local authorities, often
using existing "street furniture" like lampposts. With the option of
"fast" too (but not "rapid").

I'm assuming the charging (of money) you're talking about is what the
various companies (I think there are about a dozen approved ones) charge
a householder for fitting a "fast" charger. And again, I assume most of
the cost isn't for the charger itself - your 20 quid might be right
there - but for the extra work, extra circuit from the distribution
unit, digging, cabling, and so on.

I think there's government grant available for both home and work
fitting of these. (Not the whole cost, but some of it.) I think you have
to provide proof you _have_ an EV of some sort too (not sure if hybrids
count - they certainly should). I haven't been able to discover anything
similar to help local authorities - e. g. parish councils - fit the
"rapid" chargers; I understand the cost of those is about 10-15k all in,
including planning applications etc. and all works, i. e. a "turnkey"
solution - with the alternative that some of the installation companies
will do it for free in return for a ten-year lease and collection of all
revenue (the electricity is sold at above cost price), with various
permutations between (paying full cost up front and paying nothing).
They'll even return a revenue (to the local authority) if desired -
that's done by upping the cost of the electricity by a few more pence.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.

In message , Andy Burns
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

What is a "belt starter", in this context?

the "starternator" I referred to previously

Ah, you meant "belt" as in "wallop", i. e. a bump from the
"starternator", rather than - as I thought - a belt as in "fan"belt.

(And a "mild hybrid" for that matter - which part is "mild", the
fuel engine or the electric one, or does "mild" refer to something
else?)

Also linked from the wiki article I gave, but in short a car that has
stop-start and recuperates power to the normal battery during coasting
and/or braking.

Right. So not capable of running directly as such from the battery.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could hear.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 29/07/2019 05:52, Swer wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 28/07/2019 11:08, Indy Jess John wrote:
1] The Volkswagen Beetle has proved that air cooling is perfectly
viable for road passenger transport,

So long as you dint mind new ends every 50,000 miles and line boring the
blck and re grinding the crank every 80,000

Mine never needed either.

Thts because you sold it at 80,0000 with a **** engine,

No I didn’t. The engine was fine and in fact I sold it to the
local VW dealer whose son wanted one and drove it for
decades. I kept seeing it around for that long.

and didnt perate it in S Africa where daytime temps reach 40C on a regular
basis.

You're wrong there too. I did in fact use it in just
those situations where the temperature routinely
gets over 45C most years in Australia.

Why do you think no car manufacturer today runs an aircooled engine?

Because they arent as viable with the higher horsepower
engines and few modern cars have the engine in the
back of the car like the beetle and kombi do and those
flat 4 engines don’t work as well with the later FWD EW
engine gearbox combinations that give much better internal
car body space that took over from the beetle shape.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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In message , Pamela
writes:
On 08:42 29 Jul 2019, "jeipw" wrote:



"Pamela" wrote in message
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[]
Lying and cheating can sometimes be effective in the short term - look
at Trump.

That’s not how he got to be PM.

Boris lied during the Tory leadership campaign about what he can actually
deliver. Much of his wild claims were so ambitious as to be pie in the
sky.
The undiscerning lapped it up.

Yes, and he's not stopped: his promises of huge spending at his speech in
(I think) Manchester would have made a labour PM proud, given the (AFAICT)
total absence of any hint of how they were to be paid for.

(I actually think most of the proposed spending are Good Things [but then
most people would agree]; it's just the total absence [AFAICS] of any hint
as to how they'll be paid for that grates.)

That’s not lying or cheating tho.

"Pamela" wrote in message
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On 12:43 29 Jul 2019, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

In message , Pamela
writes:
On 08:42 29 Jul 2019, "jeipw" wrote:



"Pamela" wrote in message
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[]
Lying and cheating can sometimes be effective in the short term - look
at Trump.

That's not how he got to be PM.

Boris lied during the Tory leadership campaign about what he can actually
deliver. Much of his wild claims were so ambitious as to be pie in the
sky.
The undiscerning lapped it up.

Yes, and he's not stopped: his promises of huge spending at his speech
in (I think) Manchester would have made a labour PM proud, given the
(AFAICT) total absence of any hint of how they were to be paid for.

(I actually think most of the proposed spending are Good Things [but
then most people would agree]; it's just the total absence [AFAICS] of
any hint as to how they'll be paid for that grates.)

Boris knows he's over-promising, so I wonder what his strategy is.

Obviously to make it look like he is a new broom so that there
arent enough of the rabid remainers in the Tories + DUPs who
are likely to be silly enough to commit political suicide for the
government by supporting a no confidence motion.

He didn' thave to make these non-Brexit promises, so maybe it's something
to
do with correcting the weak Tory position in Parliament.

Of course it is.

In message , jeipwk
writes:


"Pamela" wrote in message
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[]
Boris knows he's over-promising, so I wonder what his strategy is.

Obviously to make it look like he is a new broom so that there
arent enough of the rabid remainers in the Tories + DUPs who
are likely to be silly enough to commit political suicide for the
government by supporting a no confidence motion.

He didn' thave to make these non-Brexit promises, so maybe it's
something to
do with correcting the weak Tory position in Parliament.

Of course it is.

But few if any of the ideas are new - they've more or less all been
promised by one or other party in the past - if anything, possibly more
by blue than red, which you'd think is embarrassing given that they
haven't happened. And even Tory MPs must see that, as yet, he's not
given much hint as to how these things are to be paid for, meaning it's
fairly obvious to the potential recipients of all this beneficence that
they're being promised things _again_ that are not going to happen. So
what _is_ he up to?
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Three- (or four-) way referendum, if we _have_ to have another one.

(Where has the "treat northern Ireland differently" option gone?)
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Correct me if I'm wrong ... everybody else does.