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John Williamson wrote:

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/...5qdijMCIp1S.99

I'm sure Pamela will be pleased to see there's been one cargo vessel in
the last month ...

Ian Jackson posted

But don't forget that Leavers will argue (with a fair degree of
justification) that they will all be the immigrants WE want and need,
and not simply those we have to let in. The only problem at the moment
seems to be that for anything permanent, they will have to be going to
earn (IIRC) at least £30k plus pa.

Why is that a problem for you?

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Evremonde

Pamela wrote:

Lowstoft handles 30,000 tons of cargo a year

Maybe two or three fully laden HGVs a day?

On 27/07/2019 19:11, Pamela wrote:
On 19:01 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 18:33, Pamela wrote:
On 13:04 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 12:13, Pamela wrote:
On 11:57 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 11:47, Pamela wrote:
On 11:08 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 00:11, Pamela wrote:

In Lowestoft, presumably all the customs declaration have been
done and cargos sealed.

What cargoes?

Do you think it's a major port?

Or are you just showing your ignorance yet again?

Lowestoft has a 620 metre quay for cargo.

Yes, it's where the few fishing boats left tie up to service the
three remaining fish dealers on the semi-derelict quayside scheduled
for redevelopment.

Nonsense. You are so rusty at Google you couldn't find this about
the cargo quay at Lowestoft:

"North Quay, a mixed use quay, is the longest quay in the Inner
Harbour at c.620m. The North Quay Terminal allows mobile
cranage to be used, together with 16,000 m2 of storage for
forest products, steel, and general cargo"

Google will show you how many tens of thousands of tons of cargoes
it handles.

Even a minor port requires customs declarations. Or didnt you know
that?

Is that why you selected it by name?

How many tens of thousand of tons of cargo did your research find
Lowestoft handles?

That explains why you are ignorant to ask "What cargoes?"

Want to know what's in Lowestoft port at the moment? One port tender
and four pleasure craft, none over 12 metres in length.

Says who?

Says AIS.

Rather than make reference to this hour's arrivals

They're not 'arrivals', nor are they this hour's anything. They're all
the boats in the port of Lowestoft, and they've been there all day.

You mention 5 vessels but in fact AIS lists these and other sites, such as
Marine Traffic, My Ship Tracking and Vessel Tracker agree.

"123, Aberdaron Bay, Base, Flatholm, Galmara, Gentle One, Gv Aora,
Iceni Defender, Iceni Legend, Iceni Vengeance, Iceni Venture, Iceni
Warrior, Jodzert, Lady Martina, Luna Sea, Mtb102, Pendulum, Porth
Nefyn, Qui Vive, Seacat Freedom, Serene Dawn, Severn Provider, Sure
Pride, Sure Shamal, Umoe Firmus, Windcat 1, Windcat 11, Windcat 14,
Windcat 16, Windcat 23, Windcat 44, Windcat 5"

It depends what you class as the port. If you include all the dinghies
and little boats up the river as well I guess you can get to the total
you claim. But I don't.

Care to tell us which of those you list carry what any normal person
would regard as cargo? And how big the biggest is?

why not give the total figure for shipping movements in the last 12
months?

If you have a point, I expect you'll make it soon.

You have failed to state how many tens of thosuands of tons in cargo
Lowestoft handles in a year. Please try again. I found it easy to find
but it seems you are struggling.

Why then are you so reluctant to make your point, if you have one?

It's not exactly buzzing with commercial activity, and hasn't been for
years.

Maybe not in a given one hour slot on a slow weekend but the other
stats you post shoul dbe interesting.

Post whatever you want.

Your inability to back up your wild claim has been noted.

It's your assertions about Lowestoft that we're discussing, not mine.

On 19:23 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 19:11, Pamela wrote:
On 19:01 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 18:33, Pamela wrote:
On 13:04 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 12:13, Pamela wrote:
On 11:57 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 11:47, Pamela wrote:
On 11:08 27 Jul 2019, Norman Wells wrote:

On 27/07/2019 00:11, Pamela wrote:

In Lowestoft, presumably all the customs declaration have been
done and cargos sealed.

What cargoes?

Do you think it's a major port?

Or are you just showing your ignorance yet again?

Lowestoft has a 620 metre quay for cargo.

Yes, it's where the few fishing boats left tie up to service the
three remaining fish dealers on the semi-derelict quayside
scheduled for redevelopment.

Nonsense. You are so rusty at Google you couldn't find this about
the cargo quay at Lowestoft:

"North Quay, a mixed use quay, is the longest quay in the
Inner Harbour at c.620m. The North Quay Terminal allows
mobile cranage to be used, together with 16,000 m2 of
storage for forest products, steel, and general cargo"

Google will show you how many tens of thousands of tons of
cargoes it handles.

Even a minor port requires customs declarations. Or didnt you
know that?

Is that why you selected it by name?

How many tens of thousand of tons of cargo did your research find
Lowestoft handles?

That explains why you are ignorant to ask "What cargoes?"

Want to know what's in Lowestoft port at the moment? One port
tender and four pleasure craft, none over 12 metres in length.

Says who?

Says AIS.

Rather than make reference to this hour's arrivals

They're not 'arrivals', nor are they this hour's anything. They're
all the boats in the port of Lowestoft, and they've been there all
day.

You mention 5 vessels but in fact AIS lists these and other sites, such
as Marine Traffic, My Ship Tracking and Vessel Tracker agree.

"123, Aberdaron Bay, Base, Flatholm, Galmara, Gentle One, Gv Aora,
Iceni Defender, Iceni Legend, Iceni Vengeance, Iceni Venture, Iceni
Warrior, Jodzert, Lady Martina, Luna Sea, Mtb102, Pendulum, Porth
Nefyn, Qui Vive, Seacat Freedom, Serene Dawn, Severn Provider, Sure
Pride, Sure Shamal, Umoe Firmus, Windcat 1, Windcat 11, Windcat 14,
Windcat 16, Windcat 23, Windcat 44, Windcat 5"

It depends what you class as the port. If you include all the dinghies
and little boats up the river as well I guess you can get to the total
you claim. But I don't.

Care to tell us which of those you list carry what any normal person
would regard as cargo? And how big the biggest is?

why not give the total figure for shipping movements in the last 12
months?

If you have a point, I expect you'll make it soon.

You have failed to state how many tens of thosuands of tons in cargo
Lowestoft handles in a year. Please try again. I found it easy to
find but it seems you are struggling.

Why then are you so reluctant to make your point, if you have one?

It's not exactly buzzing with commercial activity, and hasn't been
for years.

Maybe not in a given one hour slot on a slow weekend but the other
stats you post shoul dbe interesting.

Post whatever you want.

Your inability to back up your wild claim has been noted.

It's your assertions about Lowestoft that we're discussing, not mine.

My statement, which you seem to have forgotten despite trying to initially
disprove it, is that Lowestoft has to seal cargoes and make customs
declaration and so its procedures can't be compared directly to a proposed
open border in NI. Get it now?

Did you forget that in your attempt to go round and round in another of
your almighty trolling circular arguments with no purpose?

"NY" wrote in message
...
"Swer" wrote in message
...
In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't want
to lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

And yet despite not wanting us to go, they still won't negotiate a deal
which is more acceptable to us. I get the impression that this is because
they genuinely don't understand why anyone would want to leave

It is much more about making it very hard to leave in
the hope that the UK will change its mind and not leave.

and why anyone would be concerned about gradually increasing loss of
sovereignty and immigration control. Maybe we feel differently to the rest
of the EU because we are an island - but then Ireland doesn't feel the
same as us.

Doesn't explain Hungary that is similarly ****ed off about
what the EU has told it it has to do about illegal immigrants,
and Italy which has been told that its budget isnt satisfactory
and that it must do it again because the EU doesn't like it.

I wish we'd been able to fight for change from within, but it wasn't to
be, and we need to be courageous enough to try to go it alone.

I agree.

I wish "Europe" had remained just a trading alliance without any of the
greater political/legal/immigration union that Maastricht brought about.

I agree.

On 27/07/2019 18:26, John Williamson wrote:

Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

I wish people would stop asking that question when its obviously the egg
to anyone that believes in evolution.

Dinosaurs hatched from eggs long before chickens evolved.

Then there were fish before that.

On 27/07/2019 19:53, [email protected] wrote:
On 27/07/2019 18:26, John Williamson wrote:

Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

I wish people would stop asking that question when its obviously the egg
to anyone that believes in evolution.

In this case, then, which is the "egg" and which is the "chicken"?


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 27/07/2019 19:53, [email protected] wrote:
On 27/07/2019 18:26, John Williamson wrote:

Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

I wish people would stop asking that question when its obviously the egg
to anyone that believes in evolution.

Dinosaurs hatched from eggs long before chickens evolved.

And if you look at the situation, even mammals "hatch" from an egg, as
the sac inside the uterus performs many of the functions of a shelled egg.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 27/07/2019 20:19, John Williamson wrote:
On 27/07/2019 19:53, [email protected] wrote:
On 27/07/2019 18:26, John Williamson wrote:

Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

I wish people would stop asking that question when its obviously the egg
to anyone that believes in evolution.

Dinosaurs hatched from eggs long before chickens evolved.

And if you look at the situation, even mammals "hatch" from an egg, as
the sac inside the uterus performs many of the functions of a shelled egg.


Frenchmen are restricted by law to having only one egg for breakfast
because it is considered to be enough. :-)