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On 26/07/2019 15:23, [email protected] wrote:
On 26/07/2019 12:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/07/2019 19:56, Ian Jackson wrote:
We can only guess what is going to happen with everything if, as
seems likely, we are going to end up with the RoI still in the EU,
and the UK out.

Depends how much the EU ****s over the ROI to 'punish' Britaiun.


Lot of Irish americans too..

And Irish 'low tax' zone sitting offshore of Europe but outside its
regulatory control, all chummy with the UK....Mmm. I likle the idea.


WEAN - West European Alliance of Nations. Chuck in iceland. Sweden,
Finland, Norway...lower trade barriesrs, allow free inpreplay of
actual citzens, but disallow immigrants freedomn of access...and you
ahev te makings og a nice #do what we all agree on, agree to dsiagree
n te rest' kind of trade area./

All Eire has to do is LEAVE the EU.



TNP still trying to dream up ways of destroying the EU I see.

I'm sure occupied countries in WW2 thought the same about their invaders.

"Swer" wrote in message
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In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't want
to lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

And yet despite not wanting us to go, they still won't negotiate a deal
which is more acceptable to us. I get the impression that this is because
they genuinely don't understand why anyone would want to leave and why
anyone would be concerned about gradually increasing loss of sovereignty and
immigration control. Maybe we feel differently to the rest of the EU because
we are an island - but then Ireland doesn't feel the same as us.

I wish we'd been able to fight for change from within, but it wasn't to be,
and we need to be courageous enough to try to go it alone. I wish "Europe"
had remained just a trading alliance without any of the greater
political/legal/immigration union that Maastricht brought about.

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:31:40 +1000, "Lonny" wrote:



"Pamela" wrote in message
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On 18:43 25 Jul 2019, "Jeff Gaines" wrote:

On 25/07/2019 in message Pamela
wrote:

Who knows if other Brexiteers who wanted the same would want to change
their mind when they found out we couldn't trade on WTO terms for 7
years or more. Even this month, Boris and Rees-Mogg were making
mistakes
about what GATT 24 permits.

It's only the remoaners who make offensive comments about the
Brexiteers, they started the day the result was announced and they
can't
resist mingeing constantly. I wonder if we can get them to move to
Scotland then dump it.

If Brexiteers have behaved badly, told outright lies or have broken
electoral law then it's not even-handedness to pretend they're behaving
as
normally as the other side.

Even if Brexiteers tell a lie three times, it still doesn't make it a
fact.
The truth is the UK can't trade on WTO terms immediately after a No Deal
exit

That’s another lie.

I don't think it is a "lie" in the sense of a deliberate untruth.

In her case it is a deliberate bare faced lie. That’s all she ever does.

According to this document there would need to be a period of adjustment.
https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/upl...ct-sheet-1.pdf

Its wrong.

it should be relatively easy for the UK government to get
agreement from WTO members to operate under WTO rules

There is no requirement for any agreement from WTO members
to operate under WTO rules. The UK has been a WTO member
ever since the WTO existed and was one of the main driver for
the WTO rules. And was one of the main instigators of the GATT
which preceded it.

"John Williamson" wrote in message
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On 26/07/2019 10:48, brightside wrote:
Coaches of people don't matter. UK and Eire have free movement of
people for nearly a century now. Since UK and Eire are not in Schengen
area then travellers from the EU can't get into Eire unless they
satisfy the same requirements as they would have to satisfy to get
into the UK. Hence there is no need to "people check" across the NI
Eire border.

It is not only Irish and British people that cross the border. Groups from
any EU country do not need checking at the moment, but last time I crossed
the border in Ireland, I had a party of Japanese tourists on board, and
their Schengen visas exempted us from having to stop to get their
passports checked crossing either way. Once we leave the EU, they will
need separate UK and EU visas,

Not if either operation doesn’t require them to have visas and plenty don’t
now.

and so will need checking.

Fraid not.

On 26/07/2019 20:19, NY wrote:
"Swer" wrote in message
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In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't
want to lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

And yet despite not wanting us to go, they still won't negotiate a deal
which is more acceptable to us. I get the impression that this is
because they genuinely don't understand why anyone would want to leave
and why anyone would be concerned about gradually increasing loss of
sovereignty and immigration control.

Another reason for not giving us an easy or decent deal that has been
suggested is that a number of other countries are considering whether it
is worth their while to stay in, and if we get a good deal, then so can
they, which would reduce the size and power of Europe on the world stage
even more than us leaving. Give us a bad deal, and make it hard to get,
and the waverers are less likely to invoke Article 50 and follow us out.


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On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 05:27:12 +1000, Lonny, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile Ozzietard's latest troll****

....and much better air in here again!

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On 26/07/2019 19:36, Swer wrote:


"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Swer
writes


"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Indy Jess John
writes



The EU will try any trick in the book to prevent us leaving, and
finally we have a Prime Minister who isn't stupid enough to fall
for it.

Or they will simply tell us to accept to present proposed agreement
- or bugger off.

And Boris will be free to bugger of with a no deal brexit and the EU
will get to like that or lump it.

The EU certainly don't want us to leave. They know that this will hurt
the EU as well as the UK, but they are quite adamant that we've been
offered as much as we're going to get.

And it remains to be seen if that is just more bluff given that
they clearly hate the idea of a no deal brexit.

In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't
want to lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

£39 billion and a vassal state market to rape and pillage.


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that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 05:03:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Isn't the sales tax the same

Nope.

and all going to Sam?

Nope, it goes to the individual states.

So its just an accounting issue for the shops and employers.

Wrong, as always.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you clinically insane auto-contradicting
senile pest?

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On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 05:30:22 +1000, Swer, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

passports checked crossing either way. Once we leave the EU, they will
need separate UK and EU visas,

Not if either operation doesn¢t require them to have visas and plenty don¢t
now.

and so will need checking.

Fraid not.

Fraid it's all none of yours, senile Australian asshole!

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On 26/07/2019 20:19, NY wrote:
"Swer" wrote in message
...
In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't
want to lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

And yet despite not wanting us to go, they still won't negotiate a deal
which is more acceptable to us. I get the impression that this is
because they genuinely don't understand why anyone would want to leave
and why anyone would be concerned about gradually increasing loss of
sovereignty and immigration control. Maybe we feel differently to the
rest of the EU because we are an island - but then Ireland doesn't feel
the same as us.
No. That is what they want you to believe and waht the average EU minion
thinks.

But behind the scenmes they are ****ting wombat turds because they have
a really really tough choice. Be reasnoably nice, and have the other 27
countries demand te same., or be ****s and hope its the last Eurexit
they have to deal with, and pass the pain onto the 27.

Naturally the are going to be ****s.

And make Europe suffer and blame the UK

Our problem has been that we didn't believe Nigel when he saoid '#they
are a bunch of troughing mafia ****s who dont reperesent Europe' (Or
similar words)


I wish we'd been able to fight for change from within, but it wasn't to
be, and we need to be courageous enough to try to go it alone. I wish
"Europe" had remained just a trading alliance without any of the greater
political/legal/immigration union that Maastricht brought about.

Eupre is not te EU.

Unles you serate the twop in your mmidn, you will be confused.

We will be friends with Europe, trade with Europe and enter alliances
with Europe once we/they have eliminated the EU.


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higher education positively fortifies it."

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