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On 26/07/2019 18:04, charles wrote:
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On 25/07/2019 22:05, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 25/07/2019 21:51, charles wrote:

However, The border between the North& South of Ireland is rather
different - hundreds of crossing points - both official& unofficial,
for a start

So we ignore the unofficial crossing points on the grounds that there
are many hundreds of beaches and landing points around the UK where
those who want to avoid controls on imports and exports can do so; and
the EU isn't concerned about them so why (other than to be bloody
awkward) would they worry about any similar on the Irish border.

As for the official crossing points, the same arrangements as are in
use at Lowestoft can be used on the Irish border; it just needs more
cameras and some extra infrastructure to connect to them.

Jim

And customs posts to open and inspect anything they decide they want to
just as they do with stuff from the rest of the world.

If electronic borders worked there wouldn't be any customs officers at
ports and airports.

You can't really compare an external border to an internal border in a
free trade area, the requirements are not the same and can't be met by
the same things.

I know Boris doesn't understand these things

.. but then he went to Eton

Got a scholarship to Eton.

I wouldnt care to bet on what Boris doesnt understand. A lot less than
he lets on.


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On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:34:38 +0100, Indy Jess John
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On 25/07/2019 19:56, Ian Jackson wrote:

For personal travel, we've had a common travel area since the formation
of the RoI. However, until the UK joined the EU Customs Union (IIRC Jan
1995), there was definitely a border for goods, customs posts to check
customs paperwork and, if deemed necessary, physical checking.

I think that the main reason for that level of control was to try to
disrupt the arms flows fuelling the Troubles. After the Good Friday
Agreement, that sort of arrangement had to be dismantled as a show of
faith that the Agreement would be kept.

Jim
There were two types of reason for the border controls between Northern
Ireland and the Republic.

First was the normal customs control between two sovereign states, the
UK and the RoI. As you say those existed until the joint membership of
the EU removed them.

Second was the need for security checks to prevent the flow of weapons
and explosives. That had to continue until the terrorist activity
ceased.

Customs checks and security checks were conducted by two separate sets
of people: customs officers and security people (police and soldiers).


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On 26/07/2019 19:00, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/07/2019 10:48, brightside wrote:
Coaches of people don't matter. UK and Eire have free movement of
people for nearly a century now. Since UK and Eire are not in Schengen
area then travellers from the EU can't get into Eire unless they
satisfy the same requirements as they would have to satisfy to get
into the UK.Â* Hence there is no need to "people check" across the NI
Eire border.

It is not only Irish and British people that cross the border. Groups
from any EU country do not need checking at the moment, but last time I
crossed the border in Ireland, I had a party of Japanese tourists on
board, and their Schengen visas exempted us from having to stop to get
their passports checked crossing either way. Once we leave the EU, they
will need separate UK and EU visas,

unless we decide to recognise EU visotors visas which I cant see why we
would not.



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On 26/07/2019 19:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
unless we decide to recognise EU visotors visas which I cant see why we
would not.



With this Gibberment, who knows, but we'll likely be aiming for WTO
rules, with no visa deals to start with, though some EU countries have
said that British citizens will not need a visa to visit them.

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On 26/07/2019 19:17, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/07/2019 19:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
unless we decide to recognise EU visotors visas which I cant see why we
would not.



With this Gibberment, who knows, but we'll likely be aiming for WTO
rules, with no visa deals to start with, though some EU countries have
said that British citizens will not need a visa to visit them.

Dont think they can do uniliateral deals


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Got a scholarship to Eton.

I wouldnt care to bet on what Boris doesnt understand. A lot less than he
lets on.

Yes, I too think that the silly-buffoon persona that he cultivates is a
ruse, to disarm people into thinking that he is harmless - before he
delivers the killer blow.

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The EU will try any trick in the book to prevent us leaving, and finally
we have a Prime Minister who isn't stupid enough to fall for it.

Or they will simply tell us to accept to present proposed agreement - or
bugger off.

And Boris will be free to bugger of with a no deal brexit and the EU will
get to like that or lump it.

The EU certainly don't want us to leave. They know that this will hurt the
EU as well as the UK, but they are quite adamant that we've been offered
as much as we're going to get.

And it remains to be seen if that is just more bluff given that
they clearly hate the idea of a no deal brexit.

In the words of the WW1 song, it could well be a case of "We don't want to
lose you, but we think you ought to go".

I don't believe that's what the EU is doing. They would clearly
prefer that the UK didn't leave the EU and that's for very good
reasons from their point of view.

On 26/07/2019 19:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/07/2019 19:17, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/07/2019 19:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
unless we decide to recognise EU visotors visas which I cant see why we
would not.



With this Gibberment, who knows, but we'll likely be aiming for WTO
rules, with no visa deals to start with, though some EU countries have
said that British citizens will not need a visa to visit them.

Dont think they can do uniliateral deals


Not deals, just statements that UK citizens are welcome to visit.

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On 26/07/2019 19:17, John Williamson wrote:

With this Gibberment, who knows, but we'll likely be aiming for WTO
rules, with no visa deals to start with, though some EU countries have
said that British citizens will not need a visa to visit them.

It's highly unlikely there will be visa requirements for travel between
the UK and any countries of the EU. That's what passports are for.

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On 25/07/2019 23:34, Bill wrote:
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None of which will help when a farmer mows a field in the UK and stores
the result in a barn in Eire or vice versa.

There is one bus company I know of who operate school buses in the UK
and Eire, who have built a private road from their garage and workshop
in Eire, so they can claim the buses are based and licenced in the UK,
where they join the public highway and where mail is sent to their UK
address.

The border in Ireland is messy and will be impossible to police
effectively.

Is this all that much different from the USA where different states have
different taxes?

Isn't the sales tax the same

Nope.

and all going to Sam?

Nope, it goes to the individual states.

So its just an accounting issue for the shops and employers.

Wrong, as always.