Freeview retune

"Yellow" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:16:35 +0100 tim...
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 12:53, tim... wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 10:38, Dickie mint wrote:
No, it's just repositioning following UKTV' split ownership between
BBC
and Discovery. And some 'fine tuning' with EPG location.

And some channels moving from COM5 and 6 to the local muxes

True Entertainment is meant to be on 61

yesterday (no capital letter) it moved to 800 and today it is on 790

The version on 790 is the old version on COM 6 that is to be
discontinued
in a few days. After a rescan if you're not getting a version of it on
its
new allocation of 48, then you can't get the local TV mux it's been
moved
to

can anyone tell me where this channel is going?

I can find nothing about it on Google

790 is still on frequency C22 which is where it was when it was channel
61

the new channel 61 (Sony+1) is on frequency C35 which has obviously
retuned
itself,

but channel 48 is nowhere

what frequency do I need to manually return to receive it?

(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong)

tim

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

For what channel is on which MUX, click on "full channel list" on the
home page.

I know how to do this, but thanks anyway

what I meant was, I couldn't find a news release stating that CP needs a
return on XYZ date, which they usually do

But the signal on 790 disappeared today and as Mark said that it has moved
to the Local channel I retuned the one that London Live is on.

and of course I had to retune the one that 790 was on, to remove it

Now I've lost Movies for Men (not my choice of name) but as that's not on
the radar for any future viewing I'll leave it that way for a bit and see if
the box retunes itself

thanks

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 01/07/19 16:10, Yellow wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:16:35 +0100 tim...
posted:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 12:53, tim... wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 10:38, Dickie mint wrote:
No, it's just repositioning following UKTV' split ownership between
BBC
and Discovery. And some 'fine tuning' with EPG location.

And some channels moving from COM5 and 6 to the local muxes

True Entertainment is meant to be on 61

yesterday (no capital letter) it moved to 800 and today it is on 790

The version on 790 is the old version on COM 6 that is to be
discontinued
in a few days. After a rescan if you're not getting a version of it on
its
new allocation of 48, then you can't get the local TV mux it's been
moved
to

can anyone tell me where this channel is going?

I can find nothing about it on Google

790 is still on frequency C22 which is where it was when it was channel
61

the new channel 61 (Sony+1) is on frequency C35 which has obviously
retuned
itself,

but channel 48 is nowhere

what frequency do I need to manually return to receive it?

(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong)

tim

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

For what channel is on which MUX, click on "full channel list" on the
home page.

Since A516 stopped listing updates, I find
https://www.terrestrialtv.uk/dtt.cgi?pg=log.php useful.

Oh, that's a list I hadn't seen

tim

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"Yellow" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:16:35 +0100 tim...
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 12:53, tim... wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 10:38, Dickie mint wrote:
No, it's just repositioning following UKTV' split ownership between
BBC
and Discovery. And some 'fine tuning' with EPG location.

And some channels moving from COM5 and 6 to the local muxes

True Entertainment is meant to be on 61

yesterday (no capital letter) it moved to 800 and today it is on 790

The version on 790 is the old version on COM 6 that is to be
discontinued
in a few days. After a rescan if you're not getting a version of it on
its
new allocation of 48, then you can't get the local TV mux it's been
moved
to

can anyone tell me where this channel is going?

I can find nothing about it on Google

790 is still on frequency C22 which is where it was when it was channel
61

the new channel 61 (Sony+1) is on frequency C35 which has obviously
retuned
itself,

but channel 48 is nowhere

what frequency do I need to manually return to receive it?

(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong)

tim

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

For what channel is on which MUX, click on "full channel list" on the
home page.

I know how to do this, but thanks anyway

what I meant was, I couldn't find a news release stating that CP needs a
return on XYZ date, which they usually do

In particular this page:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/operation...events_in_2019

Shows that there are zero changes for CP main transmitter for 2019 Q2 and Q3

tim

On Mon 01/07/2019 19:59, NY wrote:
"Woody" wrote in message
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One explanation for everyone using Belmont may be that in Yorkshire
they want to be able to get Yorkshire (Hull or Leeds) rather than
Newcastle local news.

Tell that to the people living in the north side of Harrogate behind a
hill so they can only get Bilsdale.

Having said that there are an increasing number of items on Look North
Leeds that relate to the northern parts of North Yorks which cannot
receive any Leeds-based programme, only Look NE. Ergo it follows that
these same items must also be being broadcast on Bilsdale for the far
north residents. We also get items on Leeds from reporters that we
have never seen before some of which have what sounds to be a vaguely
Geordie accent.

The really annoying bit is that the red button news for Yorkshire
(1630) on the York and North Yorks section often has no news related
to Yorkshire at all - Darlington being the nearest. Other places often
coming up are Middlesborough, Hartlepool, Redcar, and Stockton (and
almost always about drugs, attacks, and theft) but nowt about Yorkshire!

It is frustrating for Bilsdale people that ITV1+1 *used* to be Yorkshire
TV rather than Tyne-Tees, so you could watch the Leeds-based Calendar
(an hour late) instead of the TT equivalent (not sure of its name).

Where we used to live, near Malton, we were in Bilsdale land, because of
Whitwell Hill, but people not far away (and even some a lot further
north or east (Pickering and the various villages between there and
Scarborough) got Emley Moor, even though it was a long way away.

Local ITV news is very poor at covering events in rural Yorkshire. York
and its surrounding villages is OK because it's part of the Leeds-based
catchment area, as is Scarborough because Oliver's Mount carries Emley
Moor's variants. But it's rare to see anything about the Dales or Moors
on TT news.

I'm spoiled now I've got satellite because I can watch/record any of the
regional BBC and ITV news programmes. Unfortunately all the ITV regions
have a channel name of "ITV" on the software (TVHeadend) that I use to
record on my Raspberry Pi (*), so I went through the other night and
worked out from the frequencies and the programme listings which "ITV"
was which, and modified the names accordingly.

Now all I need to do is to get the second DVB-S adaptor working that I
bought: they are the same model but different revisions, and one has a
built-in driver in the Raspbian kernel whereas the guys at Hauppauge are
still working on a driver for the newer revision. Obviously I'll need
two different LNBs and downleads, but it seems that is already the case
at our new house.


(*) Not sure whether that also applies to dedicated Freesat PVRs, but
then they will get proper channel numbers to identify the ITV regions.

The ITV region on Freesat is determined by the postcode of your
reception address - in theory at least. People in the Bilsdale patch of
Harrogate only need to enter a postcode for SE Harrogate or even a Leeds
postcode and they will get Yorkshire.

I notice that when we moved to Harrogate, Sky would insist on providing
a viewing card set to TT-land whether you were a subscribing viewer or
someone using Freesat-from-Sky. I note that you can now ask for a
Yorkshire card and they will provide it without question.

--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:10:12 +0100 Jeff Layman
posted:

On 01/07/19 16:10, Yellow wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:16:35 +0100 tim...
posted:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 12:53, tim... wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 28/06/2019 10:38, Dickie mint wrote:
No, it's just repositioning following UKTV' split ownership between BBC
and Discovery. And some 'fine tuning' with EPG location.

And some channels moving from COM5 and 6 to the local muxes

True Entertainment is meant to be on 61

yesterday (no capital letter) it moved to 800 and today it is on 790

The version on 790 is the old version on COM 6 that is to be discontinued
in a few days. After a rescan if you're not getting a version of it on its
new allocation of 48, then you can't get the local TV mux it's been moved
to

can anyone tell me where this channel is going?

I can find nothing about it on Google

790 is still on frequency C22 which is where it was when it was channel 61

the new channel 61 (Sony+1) is on frequency C35 which has obviously retuned
itself,

but channel 48 is nowhere

what frequency do I need to manually return to receive it?

(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong)

tim

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

For what channel is on which MUX, click on "full channel list" on the
home page.

Since A516 stopped listing updates, I find
https://www.terrestrialtv.uk/dtt.cgi?pg=log.php useful.

That is brilliant - thanks.

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:07:00 +0100 tim...
posted:

"Yellow" wrote in message
T...
On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:16:35 +0100 tim...
posted:

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On 28/06/2019 12:53, tim... wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On 28/06/2019 10:38, Dickie mint wrote:
No, it's just repositioning following UKTV' split ownership between
BBC
and Discovery. And some 'fine tuning' with EPG location.

And some channels moving from COM5 and 6 to the local muxes

True Entertainment is meant to be on 61

yesterday (no capital letter) it moved to 800 and today it is on 790

The version on 790 is the old version on COM 6 that is to be
discontinued
in a few days. After a rescan if you're not getting a version of it on
its
new allocation of 48, then you can't get the local TV mux it's been
moved
to

can anyone tell me where this channel is going?

I can find nothing about it on Google

790 is still on frequency C22 which is where it was when it was channel
61

the new channel 61 (Sony+1) is on frequency C35 which has obviously
retuned
itself,

but channel 48 is nowhere

what frequency do I need to manually return to receive it?

(Sorry if I have the terminology wrong)

tim

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

For what channel is on which MUX, click on "full channel list" on the
home page.

I know how to do this, but thanks anyway

what I meant was, I couldn't find a news release stating that CP needs a
return on XYZ date, which they usually do

But the signal on 790 disappeared today and as Mark said that it has moved
to the Local channel I retuned the one that London Live is on.

and of course I had to retune the one that 790 was on, to remove it

Now I've lost Movies for Men (not my choice of name) but as that's not on
the radar for any future viewing I'll leave it that way for a bit and see if
the box retunes itself

thanks



There's weird stuff going on, with changes happening on different days
it seems to me.

I have a YouView box that self tunes and that seems to be keeping up but
I manually retuned my Humax somewhere in the middle of the changes and
that ended in a bit of a mess.

I retuned it again yesterday and on the face of it I have everything
complete and in its new position but we will see.

On 01/07/2019 11:42, NY wrote:

It's a shame that there wasn't sufficient spectrum space for the LNB to
map all four quadrants onto different bands in down-shifted band (with
an increase in the size of that band) to avoid any switching signals
needing to be sent to the LNB.

It certainly is.


As a general rule, if a dish has two separate cables coming from it, is
it reasonable to infer that it has two LNBs?

No.



Are there actually two different multiplexes on the same frequency for
each available frequency (H and V polarised)?

No they're offset.

orthogonal, so there is a slight frequency shift between neighbouring H
and V multiplexes to lessen the crosstalk?

Yes.

Bill

On 01/07/2019 16:37, NY wrote:
"Yellow" wrote in message
T...

This is a really useful site that should help you.

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Put your postcode and house number in and it tell you what is what,
noticing the extra tick box for what it calls a detailed view. But do
check out the information with and without ticking, as it is different.

Interesting that for my address it regards Bilsdale as the main
transmitter, with some reception (albeit poor) on all multiplexes.
However everyone around here has their aerial pointed at Belmont, which
is shown as poor for PSB1,2,3 and nothing for COM4-8, whereas our aerial
can get COM4 and 5 as well.

One explanation for everyone using Belmont may be that in Yorkshire they
want to be able to get Yorkshire (Hull or Leeds) rather than Newcastle
local news.

Postcode checkers are often misleading.

Bill

On 01/07/2019 20:29, tim... wrote:

In particular this page:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/operation...events_in_2019


Shows that there are zero changes for CP main transmitter for 2019 Q2
and Q3

Crystal Palace has now done all of its 700 MHz shuffles, there are no
more planned (until the next chunk of UHF spectrum is flogged off)

Of course EPG shuffles are different matter !


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 01/07/2019 20:29, tim... wrote:

In particular this page:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/operation...events_in_2019
Shows that there are zero changes for CP main transmitter for 2019 Q2 and
Q3

Crystal Palace has now done all of its 700 MHz shuffles, there are no more
planned (until the next chunk of UHF spectrum is flogged off)

Of course EPG shuffles are different matter !

So where do they hide the press releases telling punters when they need to
retune?

Because I am not an idiot. I know that when they simply change the channel
number of something that I don't need to retune, for my box to continue
receiving that channel, but that if a channel moves MUX I do.

and that's what they did with TE this week.

And relying on me seeing some pop-up on screen message isn't sufficient. I
am archiving something off that channel. I don't watch it on a day to day
basis. It might only be when I get around to watching that which I have
archived that I will discover that the channel moved. (I got lucky and
found out some other way this time).

Whatever happened to telling us about these changes in the press?

And will they please stop telling us that we need to do a full re-scan for a
single MUX change. I have an item in my scheduled recording list which is
not on every week. It is sitting there now waiting for the next episode to
"appear". If I do a full rescan I will lose that link and I will NOT be
able to get it back again after the rescan (until the program actually
appears, of course, but if that's the week that I am on holiday I will miss
it!).

tim