Ceefax

On 12/11/2018 12:08, Andy Burns wrote:
Brian Gaff wrote:

I heard yesterday that it was an anniversary of the start of Ceefax
yesterday, pitty its not still around.

Not quite Ceefax, but there is still teletext on some German satellite
channels

Ceefax was only ever a brand name, it's really World Standard Teletext.
SVT Sweden and RTE in Ireland still use it too

Both have Web portals

https://www.svt.se/svttext/web/pages/100.html

https://www.rte.ie/aertel//desktopxhtml/104-1.html


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On 12/11/2018 22:51, Graham. wrote:

Other channels did have teletext until Teletext Ltd was set up to
provide Teletext exclusively to ITV Channel 4 and Five.

Presumably BBC Ceefax could no longer be called a generic Teletext
service (well not without creating confusion).

Teletext Ltd replaced Oracle in Jan 93. It was a stupid name to choose,
akin to calling a TV channel, 'Television'.

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Both were separate R&d projects by the Beeb and IBA, primarily to
provide subtitles. They compared notes in 1973, and found their systems
so similar the specs they were unified into a standard to form WST.


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Mark Carver wrote:
On 12/11/2018 22:51, Graham. wrote:

Other channels did have teletext until Teletext Ltd was set up to
provide Teletext exclusively to ITV Channel 4 and Five.

Presumably BBC Ceefax could no longer be called a generic Teletext
service (well not without creating confusion).

Teletext Ltd replaced Oracle in Jan 93. It was a stupid name to choose,
akin to calling a TV channel, 'Television'.

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Ceefax was "See Facts"

Both were separate R&d projects by the Beeb and IBA, primarily to
provide subtitles. They compared notes in 1973, and found their systems
so similar the specs they were unified into a standard to form WST.

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On 13/11/2018 12:36, charles wrote:


Ceefax was "See Facts"


If they did it now they'd have to call it "See facts from a leftist
liberal perspective." Quite trips off the tongue doesn't it?

Bill

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On 12/11/18 20:15, John Hall wrote:
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"Richmond" wrote:
"Brian Gaff" writes:
I heard yesterday that it was an anniversary of the start of Ceefax
yesterday, pitty its not still around. I suppose the internet has
more or
less surpassed all that page waiting.

Interactive TV is a lot like teletext. I think some of the page numbers
are the same. News 101, index 199, weather 400?

Yes but there's less content. Where's Bamber Boozler with his little
puzzles (press "reveal" to see the answer)?



I suspect that when the WWW became widely available, it could do that
sort of stuff better, and providing such a service no longer made sense.

Define "better". Youview boxes no longer provide "text" on BBC TV
channels (it's still available on BBC Radio channels, satellite ...)
but the internet service they provide is useless. No matter what you
do, the touch-screen tiled interface doesn't respond to any amount of
poking the screen with a finger.


When I said that WWW could do it better, I was primarily thinking of
people using devices other than TVs.
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On 12/11/2018 22:51, Graham. wrote:

Other channels did have teletext until Teletext Ltd was set up to
provide Teletext exclusively to ITV Channel 4 and Five.

Presumably BBC Ceefax could no longer be called a generic Teletext
service (well not without creating confusion).

Teletext Ltd replaced Oracle in Jan 93. It was a stupid name to choose,
akin to calling a TV channel, 'Television'.

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Both were separate R&d projects by the Beeb and IBA, primarily to
provide subtitles. They compared notes in 1973, and found their systems
so similar the specs they were unified into a standard to form WST.

5G is going to cause a lot of confusion to the Great Unwashed.
Everyone seems to call 5GHz WiFi 5G.


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On 13/11/2018 20:38, Graham. wrote:

5G is going to cause a lot of confusion to the Great Unwashed.
Everyone seems to call 5GHz WiFi 5G.



I had a wash last week but I'm confused.

Bill

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:52 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Optional Reception of Announcements by Coded Line Electronics.

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On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:01:18 +0000
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:52 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Optional Reception of Announcements by Coded Line Electronics.

You can almost hear the acronym screaming for mercy.

Then they got sued by Oracle Corp and changed the name - in a feet of blinding
inspiration - to Teletext.

On 14/11/2018 11:46, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:01:18 +0000
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:46:52 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

Ceefax was the world's first WST (World Standard Teletext) service, and
the IBA's Oracle (Optional Reception (As ?) Coded Line Electronics)
followed shortly afterwards.

Optional Reception of Announcements by Coded Line Electronics.

You can almost hear the acronym screaming for mercy.

Then they got sued by Oracle Corp and changed the name - in a feet of blinding
inspiration - to Teletext.

No. Oracle became a company owned and operated by the ITV companies, and
financed by advertising. When the ITC readvertised the ITV franchises
(as licences) in 1991, they totally forgot/ didn't consider what to do
able the Oracle service.

They hurriedly put the provision of a teletext service on ITV and C4 out
to licence in 1992. The ITV companies, applied as Oracle, and so did
Associated Newpapers. Associated Newpapers won, and their service
replaced Oracle at midnight on Jan 1 1993 (along with new ITV licences
such as Carlton and Westcountry TV)
Associated Newspapers named their service as 'Teletext'.

The ITV companies retained a teletext service themselves using just one
VBI line, which became the 600-699 programme info pages, and 888
subtitles.



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