TV audio improvement for a slightly deaf person

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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If it's only for speech a soundbar (without sub or whatever) should be OK.
Although with any such speakers, a graphic equaliser might make them
clearer for speech. Sadly, a vast amount of TV speech is of remarkably
poor quality. Does she have the same problem with say R4?

Interesting comparison, which had not occurred to me, with my own TV
listening problems. I struggle with the TV, without the sound bar, but
have no problems with the radio, usually R2 or R4, usually using a
portable radio bought for my 21st, 45 years ago, so not exactly top of
the range 'hi fi'.
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On 05/09/18 18:51, Graeme wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

If it's only for speech a soundbar (without sub or whatever) should be
OK.
Although with any such speakers, a graphic equaliser might make them
clearer for speech. Sadly, a vast amount of TV speech is of remarkably
poor quality. Does she have the same problem with say R4?

Interesting comparison, which had not occurred to me, with my own TV
listening problems.Â* I struggle with the TV, without the sound bar, but
have no problems with the radio, usually R2 or R4, usually using a
portable radio bought for my 21st, 45 years ago, so not exactly top of
the range 'hi fi'.

Top of te range hifi is in fact exactly the wriong choice for someone
with heraing difficulties. The top 4 octaves are wasted, and the bottom
4 just muddy the waters.


The old '300Hz - 3kHz' with loads of intermodulatins is what partially
deaf people get.

Its wise to boost the 1-3Khz band massively, and roll the bass off a LOT



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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Top of te range hifi is in fact exactly the wriong choice for someone
with heraing difficulties. The top 4 octaves are wasted, and the bottom
4 just muddy the waters.

Must be one of your famed amplifiers if it is generating sounds on those
frequencies from speech.

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In message , Bill Wright
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On 04/09/2018 17:09, Reentrant wrote:
On 04/09/2018 14:41, Bill Wright wrote:
I have a friend who struggles to hear the telly. She is not all that
deaf but has a deaf aid. At present she has a newish flatscreen telly
very poor sound quality. I'm wondering what I can do for her. She tried
a gadget she got from RNID that is supposed to feed the TV sound into
the hearing aid when it is set to T, but it wasn't very successful. She
doesn't want to wear headphones. I'm wondering about a sound bar or
computer speakers or whatever. Ideas anyone?

Bill
Techmoan tested the Sony SRS-LSR100 recently and was quite impressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn3hKbl9f-U&t=657s

That looks very promising.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine had one of these Sony's arrive yesterday.
He has just been on the phone, having failed to get it to work.

Apparently, it uses TOSLink,

That's just one of the sources of sound from the TV it can use.

which meant he had to disconnect the
soundbar. He had ordered a toslink splitter with it, but that has to come
separately from China.

Why does he want to run them both at once ?

The instructions say to set the TV output to pcm, and he says he has been
down every menu and can't find this setting.

He has gone off to download the TV instructions so he can print them in
readable form, after which he says he will ring back if he still needs
help.

I guess that all I'll be able to do is offer sympathy and maybe a bit of
calm, as I know little about the connections on my telly, let alone his.

On 05/09/2018 00:39, Bill Wright wrote:
On 04/09/2018 17:45, David wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 14:41:51 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

I have a friend who struggles to hear the telly. She is not all that
deaf but has a deaf aid. At present she has a newish flatscreen telly
with very poor sound quality. I'm wondering what I can do for her. She
tried a gadget she got from RNID that is supposed to feed the TV sound
into the hearing aid when it is set to T, but it wasn't very successful.
She doesn't want to wear headphones. I'm wondering about a sound bar or
computer speakers or whatever. Ideas anyone?

Bill

It would help to know what outputs the TV has and how up market it is.

I'll have to look into that I suppose.

Also, where does she sit to watch the TV; is it always the same chair or
sofa?

Yes.

House of Lords style speaker in the back of the seat?

SteveW

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In message , Bill Wright
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On 04/09/2018 17:09, Reentrant wrote:
On 04/09/2018 14:41, Bill Wright wrote:
I have a friend who struggles to hear the telly. She is not all
that deaf but has a deaf aid. At present she has a newish
flatscreen telly very poor sound quality. I'm wondering what I can
do for her. She tried a gadget she got from RNID that is supposed
to feed the TV sound into the hearing aid when it is set to T, but
it wasn't very successful. She doesn't want to wear headphones.
I'm wondering about a sound bar or computer speakers or whatever. Ideas anyone?

Bill
Techmoan tested the Sony SRS-LSR100 recently and was quite impressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn3hKbl9f-U&t=657s

That looks very promising.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine had one of these Sony's arrive
yesterday. He has just been on the phone, having failed to get it to
work.

Apparently, it uses TOSLink,

That's just one of the sources of sound from the TV it can use.

which meant he had to disconnect the
soundbar. He had ordered a toslink splitter with it, but that has to
come separately from China.

Why does he want to run them both at once ?

I'm not sure, but the instructions say to use toslink if possible. His
wife's hearing is normal, his is not, so I assume they want a soundbar
plus this device for him.

I now think, after another call from him that the other toslink device
is a Sony Soundbase, which is also pcm over toslink, so swapping them
over should work, but doesn't.

Not sure why he can't use the headphone or line out jack or what his TV
has.

Anyway, I've been persuaded to drive over and give a verdict tomorrow
before he returns it to the supplier.
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Bill

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:08:15 +0100, Bill wrote:

[...]
Techmoan tested the Sony SRS-LSR100 recently and was quite
impressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn3hKbl9f-U&t=657s

That looks very promising.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine had one of these Sony's arrive
yesterday. He has just been on the phone, having failed to get it to
work.

Apparently, it uses TOSLink, which meant he had to disconnect the
soundbar. He had ordered a toslink splitter with it, but that has to
come separately from China.

Toslink? when I were a lad, when we wanted to connect something to
something else, we had this stuff called "wire". Anything more
complicated than it needed to be was generally regarded as less
dependable. I haven't changed my mind.

Rod.

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On 05/09/2018 19:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Top of te range hifi is in fact exactly the wriong choice for someone
with heraing difficulties. The top 4 octaves are wasted, and the bottom
4 just muddy the waters.

Must be one of your famed amplifiers if it is generating sounds on those
frequencies from speech.

His point still stands though that for someone with hearing difficulties
you want something approximating the telephone line passband 300-3kHz
for the best chance of them understanding the spoken word.

TV programs do have a lot of high and low frequency components for
explosions and background music which kills speech intelligibility for
anyone whose hearing is marginal using an aid.

Subtitles if available make a big difference (as does some basic lip
reading training if the speaker on the TV is facing the camera).

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Martin Brown

Are the "tone" controls set to suit her hearing? Does she need the Treble
turned up and the Bass down? ?Many people apply the wrong instinct on this
and turn up the Bass

On 06/09/18 08:49, Martin Brown wrote:
On 05/09/2018 19:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Top of te range hifi is in fact exactly the wriong choice for someone
with heraing difficulties. The top 4 octaves are wasted, and the bottom
4 just muddy the waters.

Must be one of your famed amplifiers if it is generating sounds on those
frequencies from speech.

His point still stands though that for someone with hearing difficulties
you want something approximating the telephone line passband 300-3kHz
for the best chance of them understanding the spoken word.

TV programs do have a lot of high and low frequency components for
explosions and background music which kills speech intelligibility for
anyone whose hearing is marginal using an aid.

Subtitles if available make a big difference (as does some basic lip
reading training if the speaker on the TV is facing the camera).

its just plow**** being miserable again. Like all lefty****s he
believes he was cut out for something better and the Filthy capitalists
prevented him achieving it.

Whereas I know I was cut out for something worse and only massive effort
prevented it.


Moving on to audio, a late deafish friend said that the problem was
internal ear intermodulation distortion. The world as heard through a
fuzz box so to speak.


The less frequencies there were - particularly from different sources -
the easier it was.


Hnece te real problem of hearing with high background noise. My BIL
can't follow TV with lots of people talking.


My ex wifes hearing curves were salutary. started to roll off around
600hz and by the time it was 4KHz there as NOTHING left. 90dB down or more.

So 300hz-3Khz is ahere it's at at best. The bass sounds can be heard but
reduce intelligibility.


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