Cox Cable Has the Explorer 8000

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice....
If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now
available or coming soon. Other cable companies may have them or be getting
them soon.
http://cox.com/newservices/
And
http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/Exp8000.htm
I picked mine up today and returned 2 TiVo's to the store I bought them from
last week.
Cox in Las Vegas is limiting them to 1 per household. High Definition units
should be out around the first of the year.

It has 2 tuners and records 40-50 hours. I do not believe it is upgradeable.
Cost is about $15 per month including Guide programming.
It's a rental, so you don't own it but then you can upgrade to the latest
version as they come out.

I am posting this here in response to the advice I got here such as "If you
don't like the terms TiVo sets out, then get something else"
I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay
the fee. So for you others who don't like it, there is now a choice.
And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn into a doorstop too.
But then I just return it.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice....

If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into
ReplayTV instead.

I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay
the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn
into a doorstop too.

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

To each his own, though...

--
Lenroc

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice....

If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into
ReplayTV instead.

I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't pay
the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn
into a doorstop too.

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

To each his own, though...

--
Lenroc

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. The lifetime (of the
unit/company) is just too much. (for me)

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service. The lifetime (of the
unit/company) is just too much. (for me)

"Jack Stringer" wrote
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.
Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service.

$2 more, but less features and reliability (except the ability to
record two things at once -- and DirecTiVo does that better).
TiVo charges for DirecTV-TiVo combo box users: $5/month,
and that covers *all* DirecTV-TiVo combo boxes you might
have at your home.


The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me)

The lifetime subscription is for the lifetime of the unit. It's only
for the lifetime of the company if the company lasts a shorter
time than the unit (duh).

Anyway, that's too much for you, but you'd rather pay forever
instead? I'm not making fun of you. If you can't come up with
about $500 (recorder + lifetime subscription), then you really
have little choice but to rent from the cable company. (But, have
you maxed out all your credit cards?) I just can't fathom why
someone would rather pay $15/month for the next 5-10 years
(or longer) vs. $500 once. But if you want to, go ahead,
of course.

"Jack Stringer" wrote
I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.
Yes, but only $2 more than the Tivo service.

$2 more, but less features and reliability (except the ability to
record two things at once -- and DirecTiVo does that better).
TiVo charges for DirecTV-TiVo combo box users: $5/month,
and that covers *all* DirecTV-TiVo combo boxes you might
have at your home.


The lifetime (of the unit/company) is just too much. (for me)

The lifetime subscription is for the lifetime of the unit. It's only
for the lifetime of the company if the company lasts a shorter
time than the unit (duh).

Anyway, that's too much for you, but you'd rather pay forever
instead? I'm not making fun of you. If you can't come up with
about $500 (recorder + lifetime subscription), then you really
have little choice but to rent from the cable company. (But, have
you maxed out all your credit cards?) I just can't fathom why
someone would rather pay $15/month for the next 5-10 years
(or longer) vs. $500 once. But if you want to, go ahead,
of course.

He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also
Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo.
Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo.


"Lenroc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no
choice....

If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into
ReplayTV instead.

I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't
pay
the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn
into a doorstop too.

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

To each his own, though...

--
Lenroc

He may be paying 15.00 a month. But he is getting the guide info also
Tivo guide Info Is 12.95 a mo. All Its costing him Is 2.05 a mo.
Plus the fact there Is no buying the unit 300-400 bucks for a tivo.


"Lenroc" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:08:07 -0800, Jack Stringer wrote:

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no
choice....

If anyone is here thinking that, I'd strongly recommend looking into
ReplayTV instead.

I don't like the fact that the TiVo's turn into a doorstop if you don't
pay
the fee. [...] And yes, if I don't pay my cable bill this will turn
into a doorstop too.

I don't like renting things that I intend to have for a while. After only
one year of renting that at $15/mo, you'll have put nearly $200 into it,
with no equity. You don't get to keep it, even if you end up paying it's
cost in rental fees.

To each his own, though...

--
Lenroc

In article [email protected],
"Jack Stringer" wrote:

To all of you who are looking to TiVo because you really have no choice....
If you are a COX customer, The Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8000 is now
available or coming soon.

You must not have read any of the reviews from folks that have suffered
with trying to use the SA 8000. Lock ups, incomplete records, glitches
on playback, spontaneous reboots, unfriendly user interface, missing
much of the functionality of a DirecTivo. No reasonable person would
call it a real choice.

If you dont believe me, just do a Google search, and you'll quickly see
I'm understating the problems of the SA8000.