The bells at York

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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On 15/10/2016 23:54, Rod Speed wrote:


"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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alan_m wrote:

Some sadist at BBC radio 4 has recorded peals of bells from various UK
churches and they are often played late at night just as one is
dropping
off to sleep.

I that doesn't get you, R4 joins the World Service which remains a
spoken service which is fine for dropping off to ... until some
schools "music and movement" programme wakes you up at about 3am.

It shouldn’t be hard to organise a decent system that
turns the radio off when you are asleep. Fades it down
over a few minutes so that doesn’t wake you up.

I find all this rather odd. When I go to bed I turn the lights off

So do I.

and silence anything that is making an interesting noise.

I don’t bother with that and can sleep fine with dripping taps etc.

I don't want any interesting sounds because they would distract me from my
great pleasure, which is allowing my imagination to roam freely.

I go to sleep very quickly and don’t need to do anything like that.

Uninteresting noise doesn't matter. I'm lucky in that I can immerse myself
in any scenario that I fancy with good control, once my eyes are closed.

I don’t need to do anything like that, I just go to sleep.

My dad had this ability and could also close his eyes and describe what he
saw. For instance he could give a detailed commentary on everything seen
from a bicycle on a ride from Bentley to Idle Stop in the 1930s.

Don’t have anything like that sort of memory myself.

When he was alive he had vivid dreams, as do I.

Yeah, I do too. More so lately than I used to in the past
but that may just be because I remember them after waking
more than I used to. I was notorious as a child for talking in
my sleep but I never remembered any of those dreams.

I once went into his room and he was talking in his sleep. He was
conducting a public meeting in Ireland about a forthcoming agricultural
show. When I appeared he introduced me to the committee and I was obliged
to join in. It was an odd experience.

I bet.

I do miss him so much.

Yeah, I imagine you would.

On 17/10/2016 00:56, Max Demian wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:21:16 +0100, polygonum
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On 16/10/2016 21:04, pamela wrote:

The recording may be of an Islamic call but the recording
equipment itself is not Islamic although I dunno - maybe it was
designed in Pakistan and assembled in Indonesia!

I thought only humans followed religions. Surely we don't have tape
recorders that are Catholic, Hindu, atheist, Jain, Buddhist and
Baptist
and Jewish?

What religion are church bells?

As Christian churches, at least some of them, have a ceremony of
Blessing of the Bells, perhaps they would be deemed to be Christian?

Otherwise, none like every other non-human object or being.

--
Rod

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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A recording of church bells would probably feature nasty distortion like ice cream
vans cranked up to maximum volume.

They could always turn the bells down to avoid it. But I doubt if they've thought
of that. You see, all they want to do is make the maximum amount of noise.

"polygonum" wrote in message
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On 17/10/2016 00:56, Max Demian wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:21:16 +0100, polygonum
wrote:
On 16/10/2016 21:04, pamela wrote:

The recording may be of an Islamic call but the recording
equipment itself is not Islamic although I dunno - maybe it was
designed in Pakistan and assembled in Indonesia!

I thought only humans followed religions. Surely we don't have tape
recorders that are Catholic, Hindu, atheist, Jain, Buddhist and
Baptist
and Jewish?

What religion are church bells?

As Christian churches, at least some of them, have a ceremony of Blessing of the
Bells, perhaps they would be deemed to be Christian?

Can you appropriate any inanimate object you want into your religion by such means,
or is it only some?

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:51:45 +0100
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:04:13 +0100, pamela wrote:


A recording of a non-Islamic muezzin? Never knowingly heard, or
even heard of, one of them.


The recording may be of an Islamic call but the recording
equipment itself is not Islamic although I dunno - maybe it was
designed in Pakistan and assembled in Indonesia!

You can get tacky plastic souvenir Mosques shaped clocks which use
the sound as an alarm, probably made in China.
By mate brought one back from Turkey and it was rapidly disposed of
after the novelty wore off.

You could probably have given it to a cats home. The sound would keep them
happy.

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Spud

In article ,
pamela wrote:
Similarly, I've never heard an Islamic muezzin calling worshippers
to prayer who wasn't totally out of tune.

Surely this is what you would expect as Arabic musical tuning is different
to modern western equal temperament tuning. As we are indoctrinated by
familiarity into the latter system any other sounds strange but is not
wrong.

Similarly if Mozart or Haydn or Beethoven heard a piano or harpsichord
with modern equal temperament tuning, they would consider it to be bland
and to an extent out of tune. Many years ago I went to a meeting of the
Association for Science Education at the London College of Furniture which
taught restoration and tuning of pianos and harpsichords. By the end of
the tuning course the sudents were expected to be proficient in at least 9
tuning systems and aware of about half a dozen others. The evening ended
with illustrations of various piano pieces by Mozart and Beethoven played
on 4 pianos with different tuning systems. The differences were quite
marked when heard like that.

Alan

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Using an ARMX6

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:23:13 +0100, Norman Wells wrote:

"polygonum" wrote in message
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On 17/10/2016 00:56, Max Demian wrote:
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:21:16 +0100, polygonum
wrote:
On 16/10/2016 21:04, pamela wrote:

The recording may be of an Islamic call but the recording equipment
itself is not Islamic although I dunno - maybe it was designed in
Pakistan and assembled in Indonesia!

I thought only humans followed religions. Surely we don't have tape
recorders that are Catholic, Hindu, atheist, Jain, Buddhist and
Baptist
and Jewish?

What religion are church bells?

As Christian churches, at least some of them, have a ceremony of
Blessing of the Bells, perhaps they would be deemed to be Christian?

Can you appropriate any inanimate object you want into your religion by
such means,
or is it only some?

A Buddhist car trying to become one with its surroundings?

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:27:44 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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I'm very surprised the powers that be did not record the last few years of bell
ringing and just install big speakers in the bell tower and flog the bells off for
scrap.

Indeed. It raises the interesting point too that, if people like bells so much, why
don't they just buy a recording and listen to it at home in private? There's no
need for it to be inflicted on all and sundry.

If I liked gangsta rap, should I be allowed to broadcast it from a tower as loud as
bells and for the same duration? Or would I be expected to indulge that little
peccadillo at home and in private?

I don't see any difference.



If you and your ancestors had been playing gangster rap in set
locations for the past 400yrs and some jobsworth said shut up because
your new neighbour has raised a complaint you would be on here moaning
about your rights.


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AnthonyL

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:27:44 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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I'm very surprised the powers that be did not record the last few years of bell
ringing and just install big speakers in the bell tower and flog the bells off
for
scrap.

Indeed. It raises the interesting point too that, if people like bells so much,
why
don't they just buy a recording and listen to it at home in private? There's no
need for it to be inflicted on all and sundry.

If I liked gangsta rap, should I be allowed to broadcast it from a tower as loud
as
bells and for the same duration? Or would I be expected to indulge that little
peccadillo at home and in private?

I don't see any difference.

If you and your ancestors had been playing gangster rap in set
locations for the past 400yrs and some jobsworth said shut up because
your new neighbour has raised a complaint you would be on here moaning
about your rights.

And he would be saying, perfectly reasonably, 'at last we have a law that means
these people who have been a bloody nuisance can be stopped'.

I don't see why causing a nuisance over any period of time should entitle you to
continue it.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:30:47 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

"AnthonyL" wrote in message
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A tower near me had a fall-out amongst the ringers and rather than
leave the bells silent the choir decided they'd learn. Full help is
being given and after 3yrs, even on easy bells, they are still not at
the stage where they can ring more than the very basic patterns. It's
a bit like little Johnny coming home with his recorder or violin and 3
yrs later has just progressed beyond scales but not quite to Twinkle
Twinkle Little Star.

And what fun that must be to listen to!

Don't the neighbours deserve some sort of protection?


You'd have thought that but the parishioners and locals raised the
money for a replacement of the cracked tenor bell. When the ringing
stopped after the fall out the complaints were "why aren't the bells
being rung? - we've just paid out for a new bell". And the
(relatively new) houses are fairly close too - basically think suburb
to one side.

A full peal (just less than 3hrs of continuous ringing) was rung by a
proficient band recently, the first there for over 20yrs,
commemorating the 100th anniversary of the loss of 3 soldiers on the
same day from what would then have been little more than a big
village.

Advanced publicity was put about and several folk came to the church
to listen. To the best of my knowledge there were no complaints.

Seems as if some do really enjoy the old English traditions being
upheld.

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AnthonyL