Channel 5 HD

On Fri, 6 May 2016 22:39:41 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:

I would imagine in a world where an on demand recording will delete in a
particular period,

but do they?

Some do, or to be precise the files become unreadable after a time
limit, which is effectively the same thing. I've learnt that you can't
download anything from iPlayer and be sure of being able to keep it,
so the technique does exist and is sometimes used.

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

Rod.

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 May 2016 22:39:41 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:

I would imagine in a world where an on demand recording will delete in a
particular period,

but do they?

Some do, or to be precise the files become unreadable after a time
limit, which is effectively the same thing. I've learnt that you can't
download anything from iPlayer and be sure of being able to keep it,

making an offline recording and downloading are not the same thing

Programs that you download from iPlayer have their DRM embedded in the
download, but if you play them in real-time and "record" the output you will
lose that DRM

so the technique does exist and is sometimes used.

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

because the recordings were generally far from perfect

tim

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 May 2016 20:11:31 +0100, critcher

wrote:

On 06/05/2016 19:27, tim... wrote:

"critcher" wrote in message
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On 06/05/2016 15:00, Bill Wright wrote:
On 06/05/2016 07:36, Mark Carver wrote:
On 05/05/2016 19:12, critcher wrote:
On 04/05/2016 10:58, aa wrote:
Now on Freeview / YouView (Channel 105) and Freesat.


Why are all the ITV channels except ITV 1 not HD on freesat and
freeview
? it's because they are under contract to sky as was 5 until their
contract ran out.

ITV choose to earn revenue by having all but ITV1 in HD behind a
paywall
on satellite.

I suppose as time goes on and people replace their TV sets with larger
screens and HD becomes the norm this policy might have to be changed.

Already my grandchildren whine when the picture is SD.

I don't watch any SD except Sky News now the GP Practice programme on
C5
is available to me in HD.

Bill

once you get used to hd, sd is really bad.
Another question, why can I record all the ON DEMAND channels on Sky,

because you will lose them when you stop paying the sub


but they are not recordable on Freesat

freesat has no method to stop you keeping them forever





I would imagine in a world where an on demand recording will delete in a
particular period, that is not true. On Sky they are timed to delete
after a period of time, so to say when I stop paying the sub they are no
longer accessible is true to an extent, but they will delete after a set
period even if I keep paying the sub.
If Sky can do this they must be paying the TV companies concerned to
enable on demand recording.
Why must a public broadcasting service like BBC allow Sky subscribers to
record, but not on Freesat.

I have no problem recording Freesat.

you missed the problem

it is using a freesat box to record the "on demand" programs that can't be
done

On Sat, 07 May 2016 09:08:14 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

Some do, or to be precise the files become unreadable after a time
limit, which is effectively the same thing. I've learnt that you can't
download anything from iPlayer and be sure of being able to keep it,
so the technique does exist and is sometimes used.

Although GetIPlayer avoids the need to become Big Brother's victim.

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

Indeed.
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On Sat, 07 May 2016 10:12:46 +0200, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2016 17:32:22 +0100, critcher

wrote:
On 06/05/2016 15:00, Bill Wright wrote:

I suppose as time goes on and people replace their TV sets with
larger
screens and HD becomes the norm this policy might have to be
changed.

Already my grandchildren whine when the picture is SD.

I don't watch any SD except Sky News now the GP Practice
programme on C5
is available to me in HD.

once you get used to hd, sd is really bad.

With decent upscaling the difference is hardly noticeable except
for ball games
like tennis and football.

That is my experience with upscaling by my 32" Sony TV or Humax Fox.
I don't watch sport. I usually only notice the difference if I think
of it.

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On 07/05/2016 09:12, Martin wrote:

once you get used to hd, sd is really bad.

With decent upscaling the difference is hardly noticeable except for ball games
like tennis and football.

I beg to differ. I find the difference very noticeable.

Bill

On Sat, 7 May 2016 09:51:59 +0100, "tim..."
wrote:

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

because the recordings were generally far from perfect

At least we could play them. A recording that won't play at all is
even further from perfect.

Rod.

On 07/05/2016 09:12, Martin wrote:


and why doesn't Sky record the subtitles unless subtitles were enabled at the
time the recording was made?


it does.
just turn them on using the help button on the sky remote.
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On Sat, 07 May 2016 17:31:27 +0200, Martin wrote:

We never had any of this bother with analogue tape recorders...

because the recordings were generally far from perfect

At least we could play them. A recording that won't play at all is
even further from perfect.

That's the situation now with old VHS recordings and broken drive belt VHS
recorders.

Sadly that's true, but there seems no reason why digital information
couldn't be maintained in its original form without any numerical
degradation as long as we routinely run equipment that can store
digital files. That looks to be at least until the oil runs out, and
maybe longer if we can perfect something else before it does.

Rod.

On 08/05/2016 08:26, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2016 20:13:21 +0100, the dog from that film you saw
wrote:

On 07/05/2016 09:12, Martin wrote:


and why doesn't Sky record the subtitles unless subtitles were enabled at the
time the recording was made?


it does.
just turn them on using the help button on the sky remote.

You have to have them turned on at the time you make the recording, unless
things have changed recently, it is still like that.

When I had a Sky+ box (2001 to 2006) it had nothing to do with with
whether you had s/ts enabled or not. In any case PVRs such as the Sky
box record the entire data stream raw, and the decoding of audio, video,
and ancillary data such as s/ts is performed on playback.


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