Has BBC finally put Flash to bed

Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing support,
I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

I'm having no end of problems with flash and firefox 44 on a 64 bit windows.
it says the flash plug in has crashed as soon as the page loads. I have a
fix which requires manual editing o the config file for flash. However that
then spawns the wonderfully informative message
Sorry this content does not seem to be working. After reselecting and
refreshing and messing about a few times it suddenly plays for no apparent
reason.
So, no but I wish they would trash flash. It sort of works in IE, but
often the buttons remain unlabelled for me as a blind user which makes
pressing the correct one a little hard.
Brian

"Kinnell" wrote in message
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Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing
support, I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

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In article , Kinnell
wrote:
Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing
support, I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

Given a suitable browser you should now be able to get all the BBC radios
stations as 320k aac via HTML5/MPEG-DASH with *no* flash required. (Outside
the UK the same should apply, albeit limited to a lower bitrate.)

Flash may still currently be required if your browser fetches by another
method. However the above is what the BBC have been working towards for
some time. Any use of Flash is now a 'legacy' route.

You may find that a right-click on the player will show details. However I
can't comment on that for certain because I simply use get_iplayer. 8-]

Jim

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Kinnell wrote:

Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing support,
I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

It's still insisting on flash here (Win10 plus Firefox 44) it's OK with
Android plus firefox 44, this machine is opted in to the html5 trial.

I notice the iplayer app on android can now do catchup streaming without
the "flash-in-disguise" BBC media player app, where previously it could
only play downloads without it, it still can't do live streaming though.
The streaming sound quality sounds like listening through a drainpipe
better on downloads, but the downloaded video quality is still way below
youtube ... They won't let me leave feedback on the play store because
it's a test version of the app!

Andy Burns wrote:

Kinnell wrote:

Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing support,
I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

It's still insisting on flash here (Win10 plus Firefox 44) it's OK with
Android plus firefox 44, this machine is opted in to the html5 trial.

To clarify, iplayer is flashless maybe you don't need to enrol in the
trial any more? But embedded videos on the news site still want flash
(they don't get it).

Jim Lesurf wrote:

Given a suitable browser you should now be able to get all the BBC radios
stations as 320k aac via HTML5/MPEG-DASH with *no* flash required.

From the pop-up iplayer radio window

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_fourfm

"Please update your settings…
It appears you need to install Flash
To play Week in Westminster 30/01/2016
you need to install Flash"

I think I've undone all the about:config changes I used to force various
codec and gpu options, but might be worth trying a clean firefox profile
I suppose, this one is several years old.

In article , Andy
Burns
wrote:
Kinnell wrote:

Now I have installed Firefox 44 with HTML5 and H264 browser viewing
support, I notice no iPlayer popups asking for Flash activation.

It's still insisting on flash here (Win10 plus Firefox 44) it's OK with
Android plus firefox 44, this machine is opted in to the html5 trial.

The version of FireFox on my Linux boxes still also accesses using Flash.
(This duly tells me to 'upgrade' Flash, but of course Adobe didn't bother
with a new version for Linux anyway.)

IIRC this now uses HDS rather than RTMP, is nominally 'better', but still
leaks info to Adobe and means a binary blob. (A right click gives details.)

New versions of FireFox *should* be able to use HTML5/MPEG-DASH. But it
will depend on what you've installed I assume.

I can't say at present because I tend to ignore that route now and just use
get-iplayer. That uses MPEG-DASH fine.

get-iplayer is your friend. :-)

Jim

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Andy Burns wrote:

might be worth trying a clean firefox profile

Nope, with a clean profile iPlayer still tries to load flash, MPEG-DASH
works fine on other sites.

In article , Andy
Burns
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

Given a suitable browser you should now be able to get all the BBC
radios stations as 320k aac via HTML5/MPEG-DASH with *no* flash
required.

From the pop-up iplayer radio window

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_fourfm

"Please update your settingsY It appears you need to install Flash To
play Week in Westminster 30/01/2016 you need to install Flash"

I get a similar message from my version of FireFox. cf below...

I think I've undone all the about:config changes I used to force various
codec and gpu options, but might be worth trying a clean firefox
profile I suppose, this one is several years old.

I haven't been bothered as it only take a min to download an entire radio
program as 320k aac anyway by using get-iplayer. Apart than for tests, I've
not used the Flash-based player for at least a year now.

On Linux the ancient Flash plugin fouls up the audio now anyway because it
resamples the data down to 44.1k. This idiotic bug was fixed for later
Mac/Doze versions, but by then Adobe had dumped doing upgrades to the Linux
version.

Jim

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In article , Martin
wrote:
The version of FireFox on my Linux boxes still also accesses using
Flash. (This duly tells me to 'upgrade' Flash, but of course Adobe
didn't bother with a new version for Linux anyway.)

Why should Adobe update Flash for Linux users? They make no income from
Linux users.

Whilst pondering that, consider some related questions:

1) How much user data do Adobe hoover in on people using the flash plugin
for iplayer? Do they gain nothing from that?

2) How much do non-Linux users (knowingly) pay Adobe for using the plugin?
i.e. How much cheaper is it to buy and use the other OSs if they *don't*
use Flash?

3) Why was it that Adobe *did* provide and update Flash for Linux for years
in parallel with the other platform versions? And why did they tell the BBC
that their Flash version for Linux still matched the other platform
versions in terms of the iplayer developments - when it fact this was
economical with the verite?

The answers tell you a lot about why the BBC and the rest of us are now
well rid of Flash. Fortunately, for ages the BBC people wanted to be able
to move away from it. Recent experience just strengthened that.

Jim

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