How the disabled are ripped off

"Johnny B Good" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:15:23 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:
James H wrote:

MY Satnav and speedo' both give different readings. I suspect the
Satnav is most accurate.

I have two satnavs in use occasionally and they always agree on speed,
and always say I'm doing a bit less than wot the speedo says.


That's not unusual. There's virtually no chance of facing prosecution
for supplying defective speedometers that over-read the speed by more
than the +/-10% tolerance mandated by law but every chance that a
speedometer that under-reads by more than the 10% allowance could result
in the manufacturer facing a costly lawsuit.

I think you'll find that the limits are in fact 0 to +10%, and that it's illegal to
sell a vehicle with a speedo that under-reads at all.

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 08:17:49 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

It might well be possible to have a proper speed measuring
device controlling a valve on a flexible tube filled with fluid tho.
How long it would last on the road tho is a separate matter.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to fit speed governers to cars? We managed
it with steam engines, so we know there are no practical problems
preventing it. All it would need is the will to do it.

Unless is was linked to GPS, how would the governor know what limit to
apply?

If we can communicate images from Pluto, it cannot be beyond the wit
of man to communicate a simple number from something by the roadside
to the cars travelling along it, and why couldn't it also be linked to
GPS if that would help?

In the absence of individual speed limits, a governer with a single
limit of 70mph would be better than nothing, but we haven't even
bothered with that. With radio speed governers fitted to all new cars,
the rest of the system could be introduced piecemeal, as driver
discretion would continue to work the same way it always has on roads
that had not yet been fitted with the electronic signalling.

However, if one was applied, it would have to sense road speed,
and not engine speed.

All cars are already fitted with a means of sensing road speed. I
think it's a legal requirement. The logical thing to do would be to
derive the necessary feedback signal from that. My car is 11 years old
and uses the road speed to turn up the volume of the satnav speaker
above 50mph, so clearly we have all the necessary technology to do
this kind of thing, and have had it for quite some time. All it would
take would be the political will to put it into effect. "Couldn't be
done" is not a valid excuse. We can do anything if we want to.

Also, in an emergency situation, it would need to
be able to be instantly and automatically overridden if the driver
needed to accelerate beyond the limit setting (with maybe an automatic
reset afterwards).

What sort of "emergency" would justify breaking a speed limit if
you're not a police officer driving a car with blue flashing lights?

Rod.

On 30/09/2015 10:11, Roderick Stewart wrote:

What sort of "emergency" would justify breaking a speed limit if
you're not a police officer driving a car with blue flashing lights?

Rod.

If you are a law abiding driver going over a crossroads with the traffic
lights green in your favour, and you notice someone approaching the
crossroad at a speed that suggests they will not be stopping at the red
light, you can continue to be law abiding and have thr rogue stove in
your driver's door, brake hard and be struck in the front wheel area and
spin off heaven knows where or you can floor the accelerator and hope to
get your back bumper clear before the rogue reaches you. What you can't
do is avoid an accident by keeping within the speed limit.

I can think of other examples, one of which was a situation I once found
myself in, but the one above is sufficient to show that there can be
justification.

Jim

In message , Roderick
Stewart writes


What sort of "emergency" would justify breaking a speed limit if
you're not a police officer driving a car with blue flashing lights?

Very rare - but in my 55 years of driving, there certainly has been the
odd occasion when I have needed to "push the pedal to the metal" to
avoid hitting someone or being hit. In these circumstances, momentarily
breaking a speed limit (which could be as low as 20mph) is a minor
concern. [Note that I'm not claiming that these occasions always
occurred because someone else was at fault. Everyone makes the
occasional mistakes when driving, but the last thing you want is for a
simple mistake to result in an avoidable accident.]




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Ian

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
And all petrol stations have to be
refurbished by law within a timescale.

We have nothing like that law.

The underground storage tanks have a finite life. So when they are due to
be changed, the site needs major digging work so you might as well replace
the pumps etc at the same time.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

And all petrol stations have to be
refurbished by law within a timescale.

We have nothing like that law.

The underground storage tanks have a finite life.

Nope.

So when they are due to be changed,

None of our are ever changed.

the site needs major digging work

Not if they are never changed.

so you might as well replace the
pumps etc at the same time.

We aren't actually stupid enough to dig up the tanks.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
The underground storage tanks have a finite life.

Nope.

Forgot you lived in a country where safety and human life is so cheap.

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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 23:20:20 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:48:04 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:27:59 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 29/09/2015 14:17, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B
wrote:


Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in
the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a
hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed
awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost
of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points
on
my
licence.

But you got brainwashed. You only take those if you think you risk
running low on points.

Not necessarily. If you have points on your licence you will find that
changing insurance companies is more difficult and the premiums higher
than if you shop around without points on your licence.

Don't tell them about the points then.

And get them deny your claim when you make one.

Never happened.

It has actually.

Not to me.

No point in insuring if they won't pay out on a claim.

I don't insure for payouts.

There is no other reason to insure.

To stop the police from pulling me over.

It's you that are liable to the other party if you
are at fault, not your insurance company. If they
refuse to pay that claim, you get to wear the
claim just like you would if you were not insured.

So what?

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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Roderick
Stewart writes


What sort of "emergency" would justify breaking a speed limit if
you're not a police officer driving a car with blue flashing lights?

If a passenger has a cardiac arrest, falls into a coma, or her waters break.

Bill

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:49:40 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Don't tell them about the points then.

And get them deny your claim when you make one.

Never happened.

No point in insuring if they won't pay out on a claim.

I don't insure for payouts.


You know, Mr Toughguy, you are a bit of a chump aren't you?

Can't you think of another reason?


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