How the disabled are ripped off

On 29/09/2015 15:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:38:52 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:20:23 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:
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I'd be inclined to drive at half the speed limit through the whole
place, to **** everyone off. It's not illegal to go 15 in a 30.

That would make slowing to avoid pedestrians, stopping for traffic
lights , and
cycling illegal

It's illegal to go under 30 on a motorway. But obviously there are
exceptions like.... a traffic jam.


That's not true, there is no minimum speed limit on most of the motorways.

There is a minimum speed that vehicles are supposed to be able to do.

You may get done for dangerous driving if you are driving too slow for
the conditions but that's not the same thing.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Indy Jess John wrote:
A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,
and some perfectly serviceable stuff gets smashed up and put in a skip
outside.

That cost money. And while it is going on the shop sells nothing and
gets no income, so the shop refitting is done with loans. Small wonder
that some fail. And then somebody else comes along and removed the
previous fixtures and fittings that might be only 6 months old, to put
in new ones.

Why don't they reuse what is there?

There tend to be quite a few 'hobby' businesses round here. Called
something like 'The Lucky Parrot' or whatever and selling the sort of
'novelty items' a department store wouldn't stock. And only last a short
while. But as you say cost a fortune to set up. Same with restaurants. Far
too many for all to be profitable.

And with pubs and the sort of places that flog women's clothes etc
and women's hair dressers etc.

We're just getting an Aldi and the local newspaper interviewed the
most aggressive of the independent supermarket operators about
that. Hilarious watching him behave like a little kid desperately
whistling to keep his courage up as he walks past the cemetery at night.

He might well survive because he does get significant traffic on foot
from those who can't drive for whatever reason, but it will be interesting
to see how well he does with those who don’t have much further to go
than to the new Aldi. He's never been that cheap compared with the
two major supermarket chains here but the other major independent
hasn’t either so maybe many of the customers aren't that price sensitive.

Aldi has always been rather down market compared with the
majors. You can't even buy chutney there most of the time.

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 19:39:14 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

On 29/09/2015 15:30, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:38:52 +0100, Martin wrote:

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:20:23 +0100, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:
snip

I'd be inclined to drive at half the speed limit through the whole
place, to **** everyone off. It's not illegal to go 15 in a 30.

That would make slowing to avoid pedestrians, stopping for traffic
lights , and
cycling illegal

It's illegal to go under 30 on a motorway. But obviously there are
exceptions like.... a traffic jam.


That's not true, there is no minimum speed limit on most of the motorways.

There is a minimum speed that vehicles are supposed to be able to do.

You may get done for dangerous driving if you are driving too slow for
the conditions but that's not the same thing.

It's exactly the same thing. If you're going under 30 on the motorway, people are going to be swerving round you, and you'll get done for it. I once did 40mph on the motorway as my bonnet had become loose and was threatening to fly up. I got about 50% of people hooting at me, especially the lorries. A policeman would no doubt have been rather annoyed.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

A business vacates a shop and another takes it over. The first thing
they do is take out all the fixtures and fittings and put new ones in,

Not necessarily, most obviously with petrol stations

Petrol stations round here get closed and houses built in their place.

I've never seen that happen here, but we build a hell of a lot more
new houses on a bare block of land than happens in London now. The
town has more than doubled in size in the 45 years I have been here.

We have closed lots of them, but they mostly get used
for other small business operations. The one I got my
car windscreen replaced at is one example. Another
is being turned into a place flogging grog.

And all petrol stations have to be
refurbished by law within a timescale.

We have nothing like that law. The worst of the petrol
stations here is very run down indeed. Its only got two
pumps, one of which is permanently out of order.

The other pump is so primitive that it doesn’t even
have a readout of the meters near the cash register,
he has to look out the window at the pump and hope
that no one has started using the pump again since
the person standing in front of him at the cash
register stopped using the pump.

Run by presumably illegal immigrants.

They didn’t spend a cent when they took it over
except to add a decent modern manual eftpos
machine that allows you to pay using a tap and
go card next to the cash register.

So absolutely nothing like shops.

Our petrol stations don’t rip out all the fittings
when changing ownership. Shops often do.

Of course it is likely very different in the outback.

I don’t live in the outback. Town with a population of
50K with 9 petrol stations and about 10 pharmacys
and what must be 100 or more shops of various types.
Two malls and the main set of strip shops.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:27:59 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 29/09/2015 14:17, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B
wrote:


Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a
hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points on
my
licence.

But you got brainwashed. You only take those if you think you risk
running low on points.

Not necessarily. If you have points on your licence you will find that
changing insurance companies is more difficult and the premiums higher
than if you shop around without points on your licence.

Don't tell them about the points then.

And get them deny your claim when you make one.

No point in insuring if they won't pay out on a claim.

"Graham Murray" wrote in message
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Martin writes:

Not necessarilly. We had a thriving newsagent/tobacconist beside the
railway station. The owner decided to sell on health grounds. The new
owner went bust in 6 months - he confused turnover with profit. It's now
(30 years on) a thriving take away coffee business. It opens at 5.30am!

Lots of successful pubs go the same way.

Both of which imply that fault lies fairly and squarely with the new
owners. If the previous owners were running a successful and profitable
business (and sold because of ill health, retirement etc) then there
should be no reason why the new owners should not be able to continue to
run it as a going concern.

except that the person who has been running it for 30 years will have to
fund an original "purchase" price of thrupence ha'penny and the person who
buys it today will have to fund a purchase price of 300 grand

that difference in lending costs is going to make one hell of a difference
to the bottom line

tim

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:48:04 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:27:59 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 29/09/2015 14:17, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B
wrote:


Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a
hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points on
my
licence.

But you got brainwashed. You only take those if you think you risk
running low on points.

Not necessarily. If you have points on your licence you will find that
changing insurance companies is more difficult and the premiums higher
than if you shop around without points on your licence.

Don't tell them about the points then.

And get them deny your claim when you make one.

Never happened.

No point in insuring if they won't pay out on a claim.

I don't insure for payouts.

--
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Mike smiled and simply replied, "Jessica Simpson's boobs."

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 09:52:11 +0100, NY wrote:

"Dave Farrance" wrote in
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So far no-one has managed to come up with a *physical* speed restriction
(as opposed to a speed camera) which has no effect if you are well
within the speed limit and only comes into effect if you exceed it.

I'm sure some fluid in a flexible tube could be tuned to become rigid
when hit with the force of a car exceeding 30 (or 20) but just remain
liquid below that ...

I don’t believe that.

It might well be possible to have a proper speed measuring
device controlling a valve on a flexible tube filled with fluid tho.
How long it would last on the road tho is a separate matter.

But since there is no incentive to make
private motoring any easier over time,

That’s why they keep redoing the built up area road detail.

it would be wasted research.

Nope.

"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 10:47:46 +0100, NY wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 09:52:11 +0100, NY wrote:

So far no-one has managed to come up with a *physical* speed
restriction (as opposed to a speed camera) which has no effect if you
are well within the speed limit and only comes into effect if you
exceed it.

Yes, they have.

In Iberia, seemingly random traffic lights in the middle of straight
stretches of road are common. If you're exceeding the limit, they
change to red. The higher your speed, the longer they're red for.

Ah, like the infamous linked lights on the A4 in Slough that were set to
keep traffic moving at about 30 mph; if you drove at 20 or 40 you hit
every light at red, whereas if you drove at 30 then once you got through
the first light, all the rest would be at green for you. I heard that
someone worked out that if you drove at 80 you also hit green on every
light - and I bet the ton-up boys on their motorbikes took advantage of
that late at night :-)

Of course, nowdays the reverse is true. Long roads like the A4 (or A4123
in Brum) have the lights deliberately phased so that you have to stop at
every one, irrespective of speed.

Not even possible.

Remember the mantra. Public transport:good. Private motoring:bad.

Must be why they keep building new motorways.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:48:04 +0100, Jim Thomas wrote:



"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:27:59 +0100, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 29/09/2015 14:17, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:36:53 +0100, Johnny B
wrote:


Since they'd only managed to clock me as doing 35mph (probably in
the
first ten yard stretch after the 30mph limit sign by means of a a
hidden
mobile speed camera), I was given the option of doing a speed
awareness
course in lieu of a fine and 3 points. Just coincidentally, the cost
of
the course happened to be the same as the fine (£60) but it was a no-
brainer to take this option since it saved me accumulating 3 points
on
my
licence.

But you got brainwashed. You only take those if you think you risk
running low on points.

Not necessarily. If you have points on your licence you will find that
changing insurance companies is more difficult and the premiums higher
than if you shop around without points on your licence.

Don't tell them about the points then.

And get them deny your claim when you make one.

Never happened.

It has actually.

No point in insuring if they won't pay out on a claim.

I don't insure for payouts.

There is no other reason to insure.

It's you that are liable to the other party if you
are at fault, not your insurance company. If they
refuse to pay that claim, you get to wear the
claim just like you would if you were not insured.