How the disabled are ripped off

GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic with
manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's because
they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic. So, if you
buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their dealers, how
much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

We are talking absolutely identical products here.

Bill

On 25/09/2015 16:07, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Indy Jess John
writes
On 25/09/2015 13:36, Richard Conway wrote:

Ah, in the days when you had a different key for the ignition, each door
and the boot (and the petrol cap!)

I have nearly got that, except that the same key fits the boot and
ignition.

It wasn't like that when I bought it, there was a different key for
the boot, but it wasn't a good fit, I had to wiggle it a bit to unlock
it. I dismantled the boot lock and found that stamped on the barrel
was a number which when I checked was the number on the ignition key.

Why the person who sold me the car had a different key for the boot, I
have no idea.

In the days of the 'FT' series of manual keys, my Cortina's (memorable)
FT208 key would open and start about 50% of cars that also used FT keys
- and quite a few that didn't!

And with Mini's a thruppeny bit fitted nicely between the fuses to power
it up when stealing one.

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
GB wrote:

I don't know much about golf buggies, but you can't compare generic
with manufacturer's spares. Even if they are the same product. That's
because they haven't got to have the same wide inventory for generic.
So, if you buy a battery for a top brand golf buggy from one of their
dealers, how much does that cost? Otherwise, as you say, it's not
comparable.

So basically you are saying that a battery made by Exide, for instance,
and bought by a golf firm for fitting in their buggies, is in some way
different to the next battery off the line, which is bought by a
disability outfit to fit in their products?

We are talking absolutely identical products here.

In the distant days when I had a Ford Anglia, I discovered that the starter
was the identical Lucas part to that used in the Mini. But it cost
significantly less as a Ford spare rather than a UniPart one. I had friends
with Minis and we compared notes.

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In article ,
James H wrote:
And with Mini's a thruppeny bit fitted nicely between the fuses to power
it up when stealing one.

That Lucas fuse holder had space for two spare fuses. If they were
present, one would fit between the two nicely - for those too poor to have
a thruppenny bit.

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*What was the best thing before sliced bread? *

Dave Plowman London SW
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In uk.d-i-y Indy Jess John wrote:
Why the person who sold me the car had a different key for the boot, I
have no idea.

Some cars have valet parking keys - you can give the key to the ignition to
the attendant, but not the key to the boot. But your setup seems the other
way around.

Theo

GB wrote:

One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

It's the same key for all the scooters in that series. You say which
scooter it is and they sell you a key.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:


That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.

My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM


Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might get
to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I Love
You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Ah, some of the old classics, my fav is, 'I shaved my back for this?'

In uk.d-i-y Bill Wright wrote:
GB wrote:

One possibility is that the disability shop orders the keys in from the
manufacturer. Clearly, that's not the same process as the key cutting
kiosk. For a start, you need to have the key to begin with to use the
kiosk. You'd be the first to complain if the manufacturers of the
scooter were unable to supply a key just from the ID number of the scooter.

It's the same key for all the scooters in that series. You say which
scooter it is and they sell you a key.

That's like most tractors believe it or not.

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Chris Green
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On 25/09/2015 13:27, Bill Wright wrote:
David Woolley wrote:
On 25/09/15 09:17, brightside S9 wrote:
You realise that the rip off is worse than you percieve. Products
from the 'disabled shop' are VAT free, not from the 'golf shop'.

They shouldn't be selling a battery VAT free. The exemption is only
supposed to apply to equipment that has no significant non-disabled
use, and is being sold to an individual end user.

I'm well aware of the VAT situation. You are wrong. The exemption
applies to batteries for scooters.

There are exemptions but I suggest more caution, or at least from the
supplier.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...d-older-people

Para 4.9:
"VAT relief doesn’t apply to the separate supply of general use items
such as standard batteries, even if these were purchased to be used
within an item which is eligible for VAT relief such as a mobility scooter."

and Para 5.5:
"............. a general purpose battery may be zero rated when supplied
as part of a wider service of repair and maintenance of a zero-rated
mobility scooter."

That suggests the supply of a standard battery should not be zero rate,
but where the battery is fitted as part of a overall maintenance or
service, then that maintenance or service can be zero rated.

In that respect David is correct. The supplier of your batteries could
easily be on the wrong end of a VAT bill from HMRC for non payment of
VAT and a further penalty of 100% of the unpaid VAT.

If you're in doubt, leave the name of your zero rated battery supplier
here and see if a few months down the line they still provide zero rated
batteries.

Phil L wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mark Carver wrote:

That was Johnny Cash AICMFP.
My favourite country and Johnny Cash record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWHniL8MyMM

Better call at the Grand Ol Opry if ever you're in the USA. You might get
to like other C & W tracks like I Flushed You From The Toilets Of My
Heart, Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye, My
John Deere Was Breaking Your Field While Your Dear John Was Breaking My
Heart, You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too, If You Don't Believe I Love
You Just Ask My Wife, and so on . . .

Ah, some of the old classics, my fav is, 'I shaved my back for this?'


All my exes live in Texas . . .

Bill