wave-particle duality and TV reception

charles wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

In the upper streams there was a significant aversion to teaching
children to do anything of practical use in the real world. Certainly
no chance of boys learning how to cook. Home --digs -- marriage
seemed to be the assumption.

The thing is, most teachers, particularly when we were at school, were
pretty useless at practical things. I exclude from this the emergency
trained ones.

Weren't you a teacher once, Bill?

Yes, and I was appalled at my colleagues' lack of real world knowledge
or experience. We made a little plinth once for a play and none of them
know which end of a hammer to hold. The blokes were by far the worst.

Bill

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:39:53 +0000, Indy Jess John
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I went to a co-ed school in the 1960s. On the timetable it said
"Crafts" and the choice was cookery, metalwork, needlework or woodwork
(note in alphabetical order). Anyone could opt for any craft. During
my time at school no boys did needlework, and no girls did woodwork, but
cookery and metalwork attracted both sexes.

Similarly at my school. We had basketry and weaving, domestic science,
pottery, and woodwork, and there was a free choice. The domestic
science classses appeared to be entirely girls, woodwork entirely
boys, and the other subjects were a mixture.

I left an all girls school in 1980 and we could all take typing and
shorthand and domestic science.

Biology was also standard while Chemistry was only available to those
who did well enough in that subject and maths. Only the very top pupils
in the year were allowed to take Physics!

In the sixties in my (co-educational) grammar school biology was an arts
subject - easy enough for girls to do I suppose - so I couldn't so it.

No metal work.

Only as an optional subject in free time.

No wood work.

Even less chance.

No technical drawing.

I managed to do some of that.

My brother went to the all boys school and made the most beautiful
wooden table that my mother still has in her livingroom but of course,
he did not learn to either sew or keep house.

In the upper streams there was a significant aversion to teaching children
to do anything of practical use in the real world. Certainly no chance of
boys learning how to cook. Home --digs -- marriage seemed to be the
assumption.

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but this
was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

Yellow wrote:

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but this
was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

Friend of mine went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork
teacher.

Bill

On 14/12/2014 20:38, Bill Wright wrote:
Yellow wrote:

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but this
was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

Friend of mine went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork
teacher.

Bill

I went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork teacher. He
was as keen on teaching how to look after the tools as he was doing
things with wood. I still sharpen chisels the way he taught me, and my
own saws.

Jim

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In the sixties in my (co-educational) grammar school biology was an arts
subject - easy enough for girls to do I suppose - so I couldn't so it.

No metal work.

Only as an optional subject in free time.

No wood work.

Even less chance.

No technical drawing.

I managed to do some of that.

My brother went to the all boys school and made the most beautiful
wooden table that my mother still has in her livingroom but of course,
he did not learn to either sew or keep house.

In the upper streams there was a significant aversion to teaching
children
to do anything of practical use in the real world. Certainly no chance of
boys learning how to cook. Home --digs -- marriage seemed to be the
assumption.

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but this
was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

What stream was he in?

(My school had this weird idea that kids in the A stream would miss the
fifth form and go straight on to the sixth. Quite what was the point in
being able to go to university at 17 I don't know. Meant I had to give up
Latin in the second form which was the only foreign language I found
interesting.)

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Max Demian

Indy Jess John wrote:

I went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork teacher. He
was as keen on teaching how to look after the tools as he was doing
things with wood. I still sharpen chisels the way he taught me, and my
own saws.

Jim

One day when I have a lot of time I will tell you about Chris Haw.

Bill

Indy Jess John wrote:
On 14/12/2014 20:38, Bill Wright wrote:
Yellow wrote:

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but
this was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

Friend of mine went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good
woodwork teacher.

Bill

I went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork teacher.
He was as keen on teaching how to look after the tools as he was doing
things with wood. I still sharpen chisels the way he taught me, and
my own saws.

Can you get saws sharpened theses days, or do you have to buy new every
time? The price of a new one would seem to make them disposable.

On 15/12/2014 09:09, Norman Wells wrote:
Indy Jess John wrote:
On 14/12/2014 20:38, Bill Wright wrote:
Yellow wrote:

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but
this was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

Friend of mine went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good
woodwork teacher.

Bill

I went to a grammar in the 60s and had a very good woodwork teacher.
He was as keen on teaching how to look after the tools as he was doing
things with wood. I still sharpen chisels the way he taught me, and
my own saws.

Can you get saws sharpened theses days, or do you have to buy new every
time? The price of a new one would seem to make them disposable.

There used to be a tool shop that advertised saw sharpening as a
service, but it closed down long ago. I don't know anywhere which
provides a sharpening service nowadays.

It depends on what you want from a saw as to which one to choose. The
cheap ones are disposable. They have been set up with fleam teeth, so
they cut on both push forward and pull back, and they are not worth the
effort to resharpen. I have used such saws, particularly for cutting
UPVC and chipboard, both of which blunt a saw quickly. "Use once and
throw away when blunt" equipment.

Traditional saws only cut on the push. Mine are old, with a sculptured
wooden handle and a spring steel blade. Only to be used on timber, and
well worth the effort to sharpen them on the rare occasions when they
need it.

Horses for courses.

Jim

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In the sixties in my (co-educational) grammar school biology was an arts
subject - easy enough for girls to do I suppose - so I couldn't so it.

No metal work.

Only as an optional subject in free time.

No wood work.

Even less chance.

No technical drawing.

I managed to do some of that.

My brother went to the all boys school and made the most beautiful
wooden table that my mother still has in her livingroom but of course,
he did not learn to either sew or keep house.

In the upper streams there was a significant aversion to teaching
children
to do anything of practical use in the real world. Certainly no chance of
boys learning how to cook. Home --digs -- marriage seemed to be the
assumption.

Interesting, my brother did his wood work at a grammar school - but this
was the 70s so perhaps things had changed a bit by then.

What stream was he in?

I recall he was 2nd in his year however that was measured. He is
extremely academic, studying at Imperial College and ending up with a
PhD and now does all sorts of high faluting stuff for a big US company,
but he also likes woodwork. He spent god knows how many years hand
crafting their kitchen completely from scratch - and very beautiful it
is too!


(My school had this weird idea that kids in the A stream would miss the
fifth form and go straight on to the sixth. Quite what was the point in
being able to go to university at 17 I don't know. Meant I had to give up
Latin in the second form which was the only foreign language I found
interesting.)

Schools were (are?) strange places. I am crap at foreign languages (and
even with extra lessons still only managed grade 4 CSE French and the
oral examiner asked me why I hadn't bothered to study!) so I was put in
the "remedial" class for French. No problem with that.

But it also meant I was put in the remedial class for English - but I
was quite good at English! The two things went hand-in-hand according to
the school.

Work that out because it has always stumped me!

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In article ,

(My school had this weird idea that kids in the A stream would miss the
fifth form and go straight on to the sixth. Quite what was the point in
being able to go to university at 17 I don't know. Meant I had to give up
Latin in the second form which was the only foreign language I found
interesting.)

Schools were (are?) strange places. I am crap at foreign languages (and
even with extra lessons still only managed grade 4 CSE French and the
oral examiner asked me why I hadn't bothered to study!) so I was put in
the "remedial" class for French. No problem with that.

But it also meant I was put in the remedial class for English - but I
was quite good at English! The two things went hand-in-hand according to
the school.

Work that out because it has always stumped me!

Why have a remedial class for something as unnecessary as French? I knew I'd
fail Eng Lit, French, Geography and History O level and did. I passed the
important subjects like Maths, Eng Lang, Chemistry and Physics.

There was no real attempt to *teach* the subjects I failed in any case. You
could either do them or not. (My Eng Lit teacher said he would eat his
Panama hat if I passed, so I took pity on his digestive system.)

It might have been nice to have some proper Art in secondary school, like
teaching us to draw, paint and model. All we did was fiddle about and make
models out of drinking straws, and see how many shades of black we could
make with pencil.

A bit of encouragement to make music might have been useful, though I don't
suppose I would have excelled.

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Max Demian