wave-particle duality and TV reception

"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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John Stewart Bell (of the theorem) was born and educated in Belfast.
There was a attempt recently to name a street in his honour. That came
to grief because there is a policy of not naming streets after people.
However, it has now been agreed to name the street after the theorem. It
will be Bell's Theorem Crescent.

But George Best, who contributed much more to Society than a mere quantum
physicist, had a Belfast Airport named after him!

--
JohnT

Yellow wrote:

Why should you care about sexist talk?

Because I am a decent human being and hearing that number of ways the
chaps I work with would like to **** the pretty little thing in the
short skirt who works across the way isn't my idea of fun.

I find it very tedious as well, and I hate all the talk of sport and
getting ****ed up, but I just think, 'live and let live'. That's what
we're short of these days: tolerance.


We blokes have to put up with it
all the time, whenever two or more women get together.


Then you will understand exactly what I am talking about.

Good!

Of course I do, but I'm making the point that sexist talk isn't purely a
problem for women, and also that people should just ignore it, not get
upset about it.



Try being the
only bloke in a female environment, like a male nurse or junior school
teacher. The sexist talk is dreadful really, but blokes don't fuss about it.

Where did I state I have ever "made a fuss"?

You didn't. You were on about it in this discussion. You obviously are
bothered by it. Blokes just accept it, as do most women.


I simply said it is
something you have to put up with which is exactly what you are saying
men do in a similar situation, adding more weight to my first hand
evidence that working in a profession where most are of the opposite
gender is tough.

Tough? Do you know what tough is? And don't you know how to use your
minority gender to your advantage, the way clever women always have?
You'll say that's demeaning, but the fact is that a little bit of
demeaning ourselves can actually work wonders for the career! Go on, be
a cynic, like many of your clever sisters!


I can only imagine you have a vision of a single cubicle with a "mens"
label on it rather than a room full of urinals. That is generally what
you find on a shop floor in big old factories.

Mens' site lavatories always have cubicles. I've worked on sites all my
life and I've never seen a site facility with urinals only. To not have
them would be against H & S legislation, and would also risk a strike.
This happened at a power station build near here a few months ago. A
walk out because the men's bogs were inadequate. Possibly you're living
in the past.

And despite all my fine engineering skills - I am yet to master the fine
art of the urinal.

Nor have many men. That's why we wear wellingtons.

PS: I'm a feminist. My wife says so.

Yes, I'm sure you are and I am also sure that you do not find the
thought of a woman engineer any threat to your masculinity, at all. :-)

That's an absurd and highly sexist insinuation, really most offensive.
Why on earth should I? I've made it plain that I like to work with women
professionals and I admire the good ones enormously.

Bill

JohnT wrote:
"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
...

John Stewart Bell (of the theorem) was born and educated in Belfast.
There was a attempt recently to name a street in his honour. That
came to grief because there is a policy of not naming streets after
people. However, it has now been agreed to name the street after the
theorem. It will be Bell's Theorem Crescent.

But George Best, who contributed much more to Society than a mere
quantum physicist, had a Belfast Airport named after him!

But it took him three livers to do so, didn't it?

In article , says...

Yellow wrote:


We blokes have to put up with it
all the time, whenever two or more women get together.


Then you will understand exactly what I am talking about.

Good!

Of course I do, but I'm making the point that sexist talk isn't purely a
problem for women,

Good grief man! I never said it was. Put me on the spot and I will claim
it is a heck of a lot more common for women to experience sexism in the
workplace but that in no way means it is limited to women and if you
unfortunate enough to be on the back end of it, your gender is
irrelevant as it as equally as nasty who ever you are.

I was specifically discussing what might put women off working in
engineering (as they clearly are!) and you have chosen to take it as a
personal affront to men in general and clearly, you in particular.

I am sorry if you feel that you, as a white middle class male, are hard
done by but you have to fight your own battles rather than expecting me
to fight my own and then yours too. And as we know you men, as a rule,
really have a tough time of it, running the country, and all those
businesses and religions - I just do not know how you are able to put up
with that level of discrimination and still be able to get out of bed in
the morning. :-p

and also that people should just ignore it, not get
upset about it.

If you are so keen to ignore sexism why are you getting so upset that
women are just as sexist as men. Surely, you should just be ignoring it.

Personally however, I think it is wrong.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:30:31 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Slightly taking a different tact, even the boys seem to be losing
interest. We need more engineers!

Indeed. Alas for a long time now 'injuneering' in the UK has been seen as
having low status and pay, and being 'hard work'.

It requires learning stuff and actually getting it right, otherwise
things don't work. You can't bluff your way through the laws of
physics, or hide things from them, or appeal to their better nature,
the way you can sometimes get away with when dealing with people.

Rod.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:39:53 +0000, Indy Jess John
wrote:

I went to a co-ed school in the 1960s. On the timetable it said
"Crafts" and the choice was cookery, metalwork, needlework or woodwork
(note in alphabetical order). Anyone could opt for any craft. During
my time at school no boys did needlework, and no girls did woodwork, but
cookery and metalwork attracted both sexes.

Similarly at my school. We had basketry and weaving, domestic science,
pottery, and woodwork, and there was a free choice. The domestic
science classses appeared to be entirely girls, woodwork entirely
boys, and the other subjects were a mixture.

I'd have loved to have done metalwork and electronics but they weren't
available, so I had to pursue these interests on my own.

Rod.

Roderick Stewart wrote:

I'd have loved to have done metalwork and electronics but they weren't
available, so I had to pursue these interests on my own.

Like me and sex then?

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:08:40 -0000, "JohnT" wrote:


"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
.. .

John Stewart Bell (of the theorem) was born and educated in Belfast.
There was a attempt recently to name a street in his honour. That came
to grief because there is a policy of not naming streets after people.
However, it has now been agreed to name the street after the theorem. It
will be Bell's Theorem Crescent.

But George Best, who contributed much more to Society than a mere quantum
physicist, had a Belfast Airport named after him!

But that is not a street.

They are quite close. Bells' Theorem Crescent is about 2.2 miles by road
from George Best Airport; less than 2 miles as the seagull flies.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Saturday, 13 December 2014 13:44:34 UTC, Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:09:05 +0000, brightside S9

It was a good program, though. Except I got lost at Bell's inequality.

Try this:
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/PVB/H...lsTheorem.html

Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Thanks for the link. And sorry about the delay for the thanks, I've been reading around the associated links...
Loads of good stuff on that site. (And pdf downloads as well for when I'm off-grid.)
Cheers, Ian.

On Saturday, 13 December 2014 17:12:41 UTC, Peter Crosland wrote:
On 11/12/2014 05:25, Bill Wright wrote:
The whole science of RF seems to be based on wave theory. Does particle
theory have any place?

Discuss.

This a good starting point.

How to teach quantum physics to your dog.

ISBN 1851687793

If a dog can understand it......................

--
Peter Crosland

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£6.29 from BookDepository Thanks for the tip.
Cheeers, Ian.