Recording Internet Radio

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:00:00 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:

In article , davidm_uk-
says...
[snip]

Something that nobody has warned you about is to turn off your e-mail client
if you are recording the output of the sound card ...

If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a 'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording ...

--

Terry


I expected that to happen, but with SoundLeech (the recorder which
I've been using quite successfully) I found, by chance, that the
'bing-bong' was put into a separate capture file. Clever!

Don.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:51:53 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Java Jive
wrote:

Thus, to enable it, you have to download the ffmpeg
source files and recompile it using ./configure --enable-nonfree etc

I'll now need to check if I did that when I built my local version. if not,
I'll have another go with the current version.

ffmpeg --help

.... line 3 gives you the configuration settings used at compilation.

Even when you have successfully done that, some of the BBC radio
conversions by ffmpeg produce black holes of messages of the form:
"Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer
in stream ..." endlessly scrolling off the screen. Although the
conversion still works, the messages are a nuisance, because scrolling
is a time consuming process, and it slows the conversion down
considerably, and also you lose all the terminal history up to that
point, because almost immediately it consists of nothing but these
useless messages. I understand that one can get round this by using a
command-line switch to disable logging, but I suspect that then you
would lose all messages, including potentially important ones, so I
usually disable these particular messages, by commenting them out in
libavformat/mux.c before compiling.

Thanks for pointing that out. Seems possible I'll want to do the same at
some point! :-)

ISTR some conversions produce a similar meteor shower of some other
'monotonic' message, but that happens less often and I can't remember
details now. Both may depend on something like whether a download has
had to be restarted.

Alternatively, you can leave GIP to use the *.flv - *.mp3 conversion
it uses by default, which is to use mplayer.

Here it complains that it can't find avcodec or whatever the new forked
name is, then just gives me the flv. Shouldn't the default for radio be
essentially to strip the 'flv' quasi-wrapping and give you the contained
aac? i.e. 'mp4' not mp3?

It depends on the format of the original *.flv download - depending
on what's in the source *.flv file, some audio only are converted to
*.mp3, others to *.m4a, while video is converted to *.mp4. AFAIAA,
all these conversions just replace the original container format with
an appropriate other container format, without re-encoding the
original file contents. Therefore, for your purposes, you could
presumably do this without affecting quality.

Here the flv radio just plays with Audacious or VLC. So until I get to
actual measurements I've not done any specific conversions. And I'm now
distracted by finally getting an HDTV - in part prompted by this whole plan
to do comparisons! 8-]

I've still got to much to do around the house to think about that -
I'm renewing some guttering at the moment, but it's been blowing a
mammoth gale for the last three days, so no progress to be made; at
least I managed to get the barge-boards painted before hell was let
loose!

More generally, I stand by my point made up thread that getting GIP
installed and correctly configured can be something of a pain.

However in fairness a lot of the struggle here was down to the changes the
BBC have inflicted on users. But my use so far is radio. Not video.

:-( At the end of October, the BBC changed the metadata format of
nations programming, so the script has to be edited to download
programmes successfully.

The deckchairs continue to be moved about, I think. I'm still wondering
what happens when they switch to mpeg-dash!

Yes. Of course, things must be allowed move forward, but it's the
lack of any sort of backward compatibility and the resulting breaking
of NMPs and Smart TVs that's the problem. I understand my MP has
written to the Director General regarding my complaint.
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"Terry Casey" wrote in message
...
In article ,
davidm_uk-
says...

On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:14:15 +0000, Davidm
wrote:

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in
which my son may
be taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this
via the
internet (3CR does broadcast via the internet). I'm not
interested in
recording copyright music, just this interview.

I've done lots of googling, and quite a few programs
around, but also
lots of warnings about malware for many of them.

Anyone got any experience of doing this and can
recommend some
software? (Win7 compatible).
Thanks to all who replied. I've installed Audacity and by
following
their help guide got it working OK via the Windows
WASAPI.

Also via their guide magaged to get lame installed and
working to save
as MP3.

I think I'll find lots more uses for Audacity as I find
my way around
it!

Something that nobody has warned you about is to turn off
your e-mail client
if you are recording the output of the sound card ...

If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a
'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording
...



No, you just turn off ALL Windoze sounds - much easier and
less of a long term nuisance!


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On 11/12/2014 08:34, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Paul D Smith
writes
"Davidm" wrote in message
...

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may
be taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the
internet (3CR does broadcast via the internet).


.
===
TotalRecorder - it can record any sounds being played by your computer.
Can it record what certain sound cards won't let Audacity record?





My Asus has deliberately crippled the sound card and there is no way
that I've found of overcoming it. There is just no way the sound
through the Laptop can be "recorded" in Audacity.

So if any other sound recording program can, I'm interested.

Though I must admit I'm going to look at the sound dongle approach!

Richard

In message , Dickie mint
writes
On 11/12/2014 08:34, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Paul D Smith
writes
"Davidm" wrote in message
...

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may
be taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the
internet (3CR does broadcast via the internet).


.
===
TotalRecorder - it can record any sounds being played by your computer.
Can it record what certain sound cards won't let Audacity record?





My Asus has deliberately crippled the sound card and there is no way
that I've found of overcoming it. There is just no way the sound
through the Laptop can be "recorded" in Audacity.

So if any other sound recording program can, I'm interested.

Though I must admit I'm going to look at the sound dongle approach!

As I think I've said, in the absence of a working Stereo Mix function,
you might like to investigate this:
http://stereomixplus.com/
I think it's the one I tried some time ago. One day, I might a round
tuit, and see if I can (again) try to get it to work on my W7 laptop.

Otherwise a Google on (say) "Stereo Mix" might offer further/alternative
advice.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=stereo+mix


--
Ian

In article ,
lid says...

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:05:52 -0000, "Rob Gibson"
[email protected] wrote:

I don't understand why I'm being abused here.

That's precisely the problem :-) You are being abused for the same
reason as a pupil not paying attention in class gets abused for asking
a question that was answered five minutes ago.

I suggested VLC as a way for
the OP to achieve his goal. Nothing more. I made no comment about Get
iPlayer.

But you made that suggestion in a subthread specifically about using
GetIPlayer to achieve what the OP wanted to achieve. If you didn't
intend to invoke any relevance to GetIPlayer, then you should have
replied directly to the OP.

Moreover, there was a recent thread about GetIPlayer, which obviously
you didn't bother to read, because if you had you'd've remembered that
a subthread mentioned the possibility of trying to use VLC to
download/record iPlayer material. In this subthread, I pointed out
why this most probably wouldn't work, but suggesting to the other
poster how to investigate whether actually it would or not. I do not
know whether the other poster bothered to investigate this further,
but I suspect not, because he didn't post any results of such an
investigation. So we are left with the conclusion that, for the
reasons I gave at the time, it most probably wouldn't work.

Don't respond as I won't be looking in here again.

That's your choice, and possibly your loss ...

You are an arsehole.

Not very adult, calling people names, but very occasionally it is the
only way to go.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:56:01 -0000, Yellow wrote:

You are an arsehole.

Takes one ...

Not very adult, calling people names, but very occasionally it is the
only way to go.

So plonk ...
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:00:00 -0000, Terry Casey
wrote:

In article , davidm_uk-
says...

On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:14:15 +0000, Davidm
wrote:

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may
be taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the
internet (3CR does broadcast via the internet). I'm not interested in
recording copyright music, just this interview.

I've done lots of googling, and quite a few programs around, but also
lots of warnings about malware for many of them.

Anyone got any experience of doing this and can recommend some
software? (Win7 compatible).
Thanks to all who replied. I've installed Audacity and by following
their help guide got it working OK via the Windows WASAPI.

Also via their guide magaged to get lame installed and working to save
as MP3.

I think I'll find lots more uses for Audacity as I find my way around
it!

Something that nobody has warned you about is to turn off your e-mail client
if you are recording the output of the sound card ...

That's not true. I mentioned it upthread quite a few posts back,

"In all cases, you'll need to suppress system sounds either in system
sound settings or just by not running anything else that will result
in any such bong/ping noises for the duration."


If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a 'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording ...

Still and all, no harm in mentioning it again. :-)
--
J B Good

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:53:49 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

"Terry Casey" wrote in message
...

====snip====

If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a
'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording
...



No, you just turn off ALL Windoze sounds - much easier and
less of a long term nuisance!

That's obviously a personal preference. For myself, the effect of
turning off system sounds (or muting the speaker volume) is rather
akin to 'going deaf' when you turn your system into a Mute.

On the extremely rare occasions where such system sounds become an
unwanted intrusion, I'm quite capable of turning them off for the
duration.
--
J B Good

On 11/12/2014 20:10, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Dickie mint
writes

My Asus has deliberately crippled the sound card and there is no way
that I've found of overcoming it. There is just no way the sound
through the Laptop can be "recorded" in Audacity.

So if any other sound recording program can, I'm interested.

Though I must admit I'm going to look at the sound dongle approach!

As I think I've said, in the absence of a working Stereo Mix function,
you might like to investigate this:
http://stereomixplus.com/
I think it's the one I tried some time ago. One day, I might a round
tuit, and see if I can (again) try to get it to work on my W7 laptop.

Otherwise a Google on (say) "Stereo Mix" might offer further/alternative
advice.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=stereo+mix


Thanks Ian.

I have "Stereo Mix", but Audacity can't see it. There is stuff on
Audacity's site about this. They basically say tough!

Richard