Recording Internet Radio

In message , charles
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In article , Paul D Smith
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"Davidm" wrote in message
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Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may be
taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the internet
(3CR does broadcast via the internet). I'm not interested in recording
copyright music, just this interview.

I've done lots of googling, and quite a few programs around, but also
lots of warnings about malware for many of them.

Anyone got any experience of doing this and can recommend some software?
(Win7 compatible). === TotalRecorder - it can record any sounds being
played by your computer. For example I've used it to capture the audio
from (not) watching 'Question Time' on iPlayer so that I can listen to
it later.

Also, there's a free (SourceForce) MP3 'cutter' available. Can't
remember the name off hand but if you can't find it remind me and I'll
look when I get home. Useful to avoid having to listen to an hour of
drivel to get to the one interview you are interested in :-).

Paul DS.

Easy Hi-Q Recorder is one that I've used. (with Win7)

Can it record what certain sound cards won't let Audacity record? There
are lots of recording programs (freeware and payware), but the soundcard
may not always pay ball.
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article , Paul D Smith
wrote:
"Davidm" wrote in message
...

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may be
taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the internet
(3CR does broadcast via the internet). I'm not interested in recording
copyright music, just this interview.

I've done lots of googling, and quite a few programs around, but also
lots of warnings about malware for many of them.

Anyone got any experience of doing this and can recommend some software?
(Win7 compatible). === TotalRecorder - it can record any sounds being
played by your computer. For example I've used it to capture the audio
from (not) watching 'Question Time' on iPlayer so that I can listen to
it later.

Also, there's a free (SourceForce) MP3 'cutter' available. Can't
remember the name off hand but if you can't find it remind me and I'll
look when I get home. Useful to avoid having to listen to an hour of
drivel to get to the one interview you are interested in :-).

Paul DS.

Easy Hi-Q Recorder is one that I've used. (with Win7)

Can it record what certain sound cards won't let Audacity record? There
are lots of recording programs (freeware and payware), but the soundcard
may not always pay ball.

Don't know, but I've recorded from BBC radio iplayer (or whatever it's
called). There is a free trial version, so you could try for yourself.

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In article , Ian Jackson
wrote:
In message , Paul D Smith
writes


. === TotalRecorder - it can record any sounds being played by your
computer.

Can it record what certain sound cards won't let Audacity record?

Must admit I've been intrigued that some sound card *hardware* blocks the
ability to record in *software*. Is that a virus confined to Windows?

In practice I've tended to record audio using a digital recorder external
to the computer. (More recently also been using get_iplayer a bit as well.)

But I can easily capture radio streams without them going near the sound
'card' - i.e. hardware.

Jim

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It really is extraordinary these days how often one has to repeat
oneself to get a point across. There's always some smart arse coming
late into a topic who thinks he knows better ...

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:19:17 -0000, "Rob Gibson"
[email protected] wrote:

Using the command line interface is a piece of cake -

get_iplayer "name_of_programme" --type=radio --get

Or more accurately and briefly ...

get_iplayer "name of programme" --type radio -g

... though both the above will actually work.

FWIW I've just used the pids.

However,it's the
installation and configuration of it, particularly recompiling ffmpeg to
do flv to mp3 conversion to avoid mplayer leaking memory by dumping its
core (Linux) or giving a programme crash alert (Windows), that is often
the problem.

Curious about that. I've been getting some flv audio files recently and
have just left them as flv for playback. Is the above related to the
forking of ffmpeg? get_player here can't find ffmpeg because I've installed
it in a user directory. So not 'visible' as a system command.

See several recent discussions here.

OK.

VLC

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.en_GB.html

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:14:15 +0000, Davidm
wrote:

Next week 3 Counties Radio is doing an interview in which my son may
be taking part. I'd like to find a way of recording this via the
internet (3CR does broadcast via the internet). I'm not interested in
recording copyright music, just this interview.

I've done lots of googling, and quite a few programs around, but also
lots of warnings about malware for many of them.

Anyone got any experience of doing this and can recommend some
software? (Win7 compatible).
Thanks to all who replied. I've installed Audacity and by following
their help guide got it working OK via the Windows WASAPI.

Also via their guide magaged to get lame installed and working to save
as MP3.

I think I'll find lots more uses for Audacity as I find my way around
it!

Something that nobody has warned you about is to turn off your e-mail client
if you are recording the output of the sound card ...

If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a 'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording ...

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:55:34 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

FWIW I've just used the pids.

Yes, but, as long as the desired programme was broadcast within the
last 7 days, usually the original commands given above will find the
programme from the metadata on the BBC site automatically, which is
easier than looking up the PID manually for yourself. For anything
older than the last 7 days but less than 30 days old, probably you can
still download it but, as you suggest, you do have to use the PID,
which can be looked up he
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes
Each programme page link is then of the form:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/pid

However,it's the
installation and configuration of it, particularly recompiling ffmpeg to
do flv to mp3 conversion to avoid mplayer leaking memory by dumping its
core (Linux) or giving a programme crash alert (Windows), that is often
the problem.

Curious about that. I've been getting some flv audio files recently and
have just left them as flv for playback. Is the above related to the
forking of ffmpeg? get_player here can't find ffmpeg because I've installed
it in a user directory. So not 'visible' as a system command.

Yes, but your purpose in downloading, to compare scientifically with
other sources of material requiring that as little as possible be done
with the original source, is not the same as most other people's. They
would rather just be able to click on the resulting download and play
it using their nomal player, even if that's Windows Media Player, copy
it across to a Network Media Player or Smart TV, play it however they
can in their car, etc. However, not all the latter understand *.flv
files, WMP doesn't for example, and the results will be more widely
playable if they are converted to something 'standard' like *.mp4,
*.m4a, *.mp3.

The best way to do this is using ffmpeg, which will copy the data
without internal conversion from one container format to another, but,
by default, ffmpeg is NOT compiled with the --enable-nonfree switch.
This allows the compiled programme to be freely distributed without
fear of licensing consequences, but at the cost of neutering some
common conversions which would require some sort of royalty payment
were they to be enabled, and included in this deliberate neutering is
*.flv - *.mp3 conversion. Thus, to enable it, you have to download
the ffmpeg source files and recompile it using
./configure --enable-nonfree etc
make
make install

Even when you have successfully done that, some of the BBC radio
conversions by ffmpeg produce black holes of messages of the form:
"Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to
muxer in stream ..." endlessly scrolling off the screen. Although the
conversion still works, the messages are a nuisance, because scrolling
is a time consuming process, and it slows the conversion down
considerably, and also you lose all the terminal history up to that
point, because almost immediately it consists of nothing but these
useless messages. I understand that one can get round this by using a
command-line switch to disable logging, but I suspect that then you
would lose all messages, including potentially important ones, so I
usually disable these particular messages, by commenting them out in
libavformat/mux.c before compiling.

Alternatively, you can leave GIP to use the *.flv - *.mp3 conversion
it uses by default, which is to use mplayer. However, in Linux,
mplayer dumps its core at the end of every conversion, and ISTR that
last time I tried it, an equivalent, something like "Illegal access
exception", also happened in Windows. As this obviously is highly
undesirable, particularly on embedded devices where memory is in very
short supply and any leak potentially disastrous, I prefer to use
ffmpeg, even though it can be a pain to get working.

More generally, I stand by my point made up thread that getting GIP
installed and correctly configured can be something of a pain. In
proof of this, I have just uninstalled an outdated version off a
Windows 7 machine and reinstalled with the latest installer exe
downloaded today from the source website. As installed, I can't
download from Radio Nan Gaidheal because

:-( At the end of October, the BBC changed the metadata format of
nations programming, so the script has to be edited to download
programmes successfully.

:-( Even after fixing the above, I get a message about SWF
verification, which I must now investigate,

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In article , Java Jive
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:55:34 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf


Curious about that. I've been getting some flv audio files recently
and have just left them as flv for playback. Is the above related to
the forking of ffmpeg? get_player here can't find ffmpeg because I've
installed it in a user directory. So not 'visible' as a system command.

Yes, but your purpose in downloading, to compare scientifically with
other sources of material requiring that as little as possible be done
with the original source, is not the same as most other people's.

Agreed.

[snip]

The best way to do this is using ffmpeg, which will copy the data
without internal conversion from one container format to another, but,
by default, ffmpeg is NOT compiled with the --enable-nonfree switch.
This allows the compiled programme to be freely distributed without fear
of licensing consequences, but at the cost of neutering some common
conversions which would require some sort of royalty payment were they
to be enabled, and included in this deliberate neutering is *.flv -
*.mp3 conversion. Thus, to enable it, you have to download the ffmpeg
source files and recompile it using ./configure --enable-nonfree etc
make make install

I'll now need to check if I did that when I built my local version. if not,
I'll have another go with the current version.


Even when you have successfully done that, some of the BBC radio
conversions by ffmpeg produce black holes of messages of the form:
"Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer
in stream ..." endlessly scrolling off the screen. Although the
conversion still works, the messages are a nuisance, because scrolling
is a time consuming process, and it slows the conversion down
considerably, and also you lose all the terminal history up to that
point, because almost immediately it consists of nothing but these
useless messages. I understand that one can get round this by using a
command-line switch to disable logging, but I suspect that then you
would lose all messages, including potentially important ones, so I
usually disable these particular messages, by commenting them out in
libavformat/mux.c before compiling.

Thanks for pointing that out. Seems possible I'll want to do the same at
some point! :-)

Alternatively, you can leave GIP to use the *.flv - *.mp3 conversion
it uses by default, which is to use mplayer.

Here it complains that it can't find avcodec or whatever the new forked
name is, then just gives me the flv. Shouldn't the default for radio be
essentially to strip the 'flv' quasi-wrapping and give you the contained
aac? i.e. 'mp4' not mp3?

Here the flv radio just plays with Audacious or VLC. So until I get to
actual measurements I've not done any specific conversions. And I'm now
distracted by finally getting an HDTV - in part prompted by this whole plan
to do comparisons! 8-]

More generally, I stand by my point made up thread that getting GIP
installed and correctly configured can be something of a pain.

However in fairness a lot of the struggle here was down to the changes the
BBC have inflicted on users. But my use so far is radio. Not video.


:-( At the end of October, the BBC changed the metadata format of
nations programming, so the script has to be edited to download
programmes successfully.

The deckchairs continue to be moved about, I think. I'm still wondering
what happens when they switch to mpeg-dash!

Jim

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Terry Casey writes



Something that nobody has warned you about is to turn off your e-mail client
if you are recording the output of the sound card ...

If you don't, Murphy's Law says that you will get a 'Bing-Bong' to alert you
to new mail at the most important point in the recording ...

I make sure that all Windows 'Sounds' are permanently turned off.

Also, unless you're sure your machine is fast enough, to avoid the
occasional 'hiccup' it's probably best to refrain from multitasking when
recording.
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I don't understand why I'm being abused here. I suggested VLC as a way for
the OP to achieve his goal. Nothing more. I made no comment about Get
iPlayer. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Don't respond as I won't be looking in here again.

May"Java Jive" wrote in message
...
It really is extraordinary these days how often one has to repeat
oneself to get a point across. There's always some smart arse coming
late into a topic who thinks he knows better ...

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:19:17 -0000, "Rob Gibson"
[email protected] wrote:

Using the command line interface is a piece of cake -

get_iplayer "name_of_programme" --type=radio --get

Or more accurately and briefly ...

get_iplayer "name of programme" --type radio -g

... though both the above will actually work. However,it's the
installation and configuration of it, particularly recompiling ffmpeg
to do flv to mp3 conversion to avoid mplayer leaking memory by dumping
its core (Linux) or giving a programme crash alert (Windows), that is
often the problem.

See several recent discussions here.

VLC

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.en_GB.html

Plays almost anything, and can record too.

See recent discussions here on GetIPlayer wrt SWF verification.
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:05:52 -0000, "Rob Gibson"
[email protected] wrote:

I don't understand why I'm being abused here.

That's precisely the problem :-) You are being abused for the same
reason as a pupil not paying attention in class gets abused for asking
a question that was answered five minutes ago.

I suggested VLC as a way for
the OP to achieve his goal. Nothing more. I made no comment about Get
iPlayer.

But you made that suggestion in a subthread specifically about using
GetIPlayer to achieve what the OP wanted to achieve. If you didn't
intend to invoke any relevance to GetIPlayer, then you should have
replied directly to the OP.

Moreover, there was a recent thread about GetIPlayer, which obviously
you didn't bother to read, because if you had you'd've remembered that
a subthread mentioned the possibility of trying to use VLC to
download/record iPlayer material. In this subthread, I pointed out
why this most probably wouldn't work, but suggesting to the other
poster how to investigate whether actually it would or not. I do not
know whether the other poster bothered to investigate this further,
but I suspect not, because he didn't post any results of such an
investigation. So we are left with the conclusion that, for the
reasons I gave at the time, it most probably wouldn't work.

Don't respond as I won't be looking in here again.

That's your choice, and possibly your loss ...
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