terminology and common usage

Odd. M/S have no problem taking my US issued American Express card,
which is currently swipe only, soon to be re-issued as chip and signature.

On 12/1/2014 5:52 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:
Shop staff can also be very annoying when they don't know about stuff.
Recently M/S tried to refuse a friend of mines card as it was a chip and
signature one. The blind do have issues with when to put in pins etc, as
they cannot read the display, so hence the old chip and signature card are
often used.
These two, male as it happened got really rud to her over this, saying they
did not accept them. Of course they do, these obviously never actually were
trained.
Its all part of the equality act.
They were also heard telling a frail looking old lady to go on line and
click whatever it was to get more information about an item. Not a clue.
Some people need to go on a brain engaging course.
Brian

In message , NY
writes
The problem only comes when both people say "half two" and mean two
different things.

This nomenclature (?) seems very old hat these days. I haven't heard it
for years.

Likewise, the American 'before' and 'after' also seems to have
disappeared in favour of our 'to' and 'past'. The only time I hear it is
when LBC's Nick Ferrari insists on inflicting it upon his listeners
(presumably something he picked up when he lived in the USA, and likes
to share the experience with the British).

By the way, I've met a few people who often use the form 'four and
twenty' when saying numbers. It seems to be alive and well, and living
in Essex.



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Ian

charles wrote:
In article , The Other John
wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:37:59 +0000, NY wrote:

This is even more of a problem in Germany where numbers are said in
"four-and-twenty blackbirds" notation with the tens and units the
opposite way round.

I find French numbers confusing when things like 79 is said sixty, ten,
nine and 90 is four twenties, ten - weird.

in English that's "four score and ten". Used to be a well known phrase.

My grandma always counted like that.

Bill

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:06:50 +0000, Bill Wright

wrote:

Graham. wrote:

I suppose there is no other kind now, but elderly people
used to say
"coloured television".

Strangely, coloured mean good for tv sets, bad for people.

Bill

You canl legally thump a TV set if it misbehaves.

G.Harman


Ah, but the secret is to know where and how hard - that
right Bill?


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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Bring back the black and white Minstrels, the big thing
when colour first
started on TV.
Brian

and "Spot Black"

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Are you being facetious or do you mean Pot Black?

Mind you that is now probably a racist slur.


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Woody

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In article ,
Woody wrote:
"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Bring back the black and white Minstrels, the big thing
when colour first
started on TV.
Brian

and "Spot Black"

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Are you being facetious or do you mean Pot Black?

a well known typo, but "for those of you looking in black & white, the blue
ball is to the right of the pink"

Mind you that is now probably a racist slur.

indeed

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In article , NY
wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Shop staff can also be very annoying when they don't know about stuff.
Recently M/S tried to refuse a friend of mines card as it was a chip
and signature one. The blind do have issues with when to put in pins
etc, as they cannot read the display, so hence the old chip and
signature card are often used.

I'd have thought that if the customer couldn't read the display, the
assistant would simply say "it's asking for your PIN", "it says that
your PIN has been accepted (or rejected)" etc.

Which does tend to lead to the other problem you raise later on...


Rather than having the customer use a less secure chip and signature
system.

Erm. Not sure that is "less secure" if someone can peek over your shoulder
anyway without your seeing that they are reading your PIN as you type. And
either way, have to lift your card.

A written signature can be examined to determine if it is one you wrote. A
PIN is the same set of values regardless of why types it.

Obviously you'd only want the assistant to read the messages for you -
you would want to be sure that they weren't also looking at which
digits you typed as your PIN.

....which might be difficult it you have a serious vision problem.

Jim

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On 01/12/2014 11:05, NY wrote:

Obviously you'd only want the assistant to read the messages for you - you
would want to be sure that they weren't also looking at which digits you
typed as your PIN.

If you were blind, how would you know?

Jim

On 01/12/2014 14:10, charles wrote:


"for those of you looking in black& white, the blue
ball is to the right of the pink"

I used to watch snooker in black and white.

The only balls you couldn't distinguish was the brown compared to the
reds, I just needed to watch and know where the brown was and
everything else was identifiable by shade of grey.

Jim

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:34:15 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

My grandma always counted like that.

When telling the time my parents used to say five and twenty past
or to the hour.

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TOJ.