Goodbye 700MHz (aka UHF Ch 48-60)

On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:08:17 +0000, Graham. wrote:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:12:14 +0000, Scott
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:45:24 +0000 (UTC), "Steve Thackery"
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Robin wrote:

Eg a gradual rundown of Freeview and switch to conditional access by
satellite+smart card or internet? (I've no idea how many Freesat
receivers provide for conditional access.)

Maybe you are right, but I think it's outrageous. Why did they
introduce Freeview, only to ditch it a couple of decades later? We
could have gone straight to satellite.

Except that the Ofcom report says the benefits of DTT will not be
compromised and there will be no significant disruption to viewers.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

Either you missed off the winking smiley, or you need an infusion of
cynicism.

I certainly missed the first element (maybe Agent to blame). I'm
generally quite cynical but we've just had a referendum here where
Alex Salmond felt it necessary to pledge that Eastenders and Strictly
would remain on TV so I'm guessing removing terrestrial TV would not
be a vote-winner.

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tim..... wrote:

COM 7 and 8 are only intended to be temporary services, to promote
DVB-T2 (have T2 receivers been flying off the shelves because of them ?)

I doubt it


The point is, without muxes 7 and 8 anyone with a new telly would be
constantly getting irritated by the constant mentions of HD on various
channels, knowing they couldn't get it even though the telly said HD on it
and they'd bought it on that basis. Because to the public Sky=satellite
and satellite=Sky

Then they should market freesat more aggressively

tim

Then they should market freesat more aggressively

Who are "they"?

ISTM one of the problems with the Freesat model is that nobody has a
clear incentive to market it. The BBC doesn't even have the incentives
it had with DAB - eg not ending up damned for wasting vast sums. And
even the manfacturers mostly win either way between Freeview and
Freesat.

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"Robin" wrote in message
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Then they should market freesat more aggressively

Who are "they"?

the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly

ISTM one of the problems with the Freesat model is that nobody has a clear
incentive to market it. The BBC doesn't even have the incentives it had
with DAB - eg not ending up damned for wasting vast sums. And even the
manfacturers mostly win either way between Freeview and Freesat.

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On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside I'm not
noticing Freesat boxes for sale.
My present TV is a Panasonic with Freesat from 2008.

Regards
David

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:56:08 +0000, David wrote:

On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside

I'm not noticing Freesat boxes for sale.

You haven't looked very hard then!

On 23/11/2014 15:16, lid wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:56:08 +0000, David wrote:

On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside

I'm not noticing Freesat boxes for sale.

You haven't looked very hard then!


Have just been to Richer Sounds website clicked all tv sets and results
were 24 pages, then filtered to Freesat and only 4 pages remained.
Put Freesat Box in Search and no results.
Regards
David

On 23/11/2014 16:01, David wrote:
On 23/11/2014 15:16, lid wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:56:08 +0000, David wrote:

On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Robin
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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside

I'm not noticing Freesat boxes for sale.

You haven't looked very hard then!


Have just been to Richer Sounds website clicked all tv sets and results
were 24 pages, then filtered to Freesat and only 4 pages remained.
Put Freesat Box in Search and no results.
Regards
David
Tesco have them in

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On 23/11/2014 16:40, george wrote:
On 23/11/2014 16:01, David wrote:
On 23/11/2014 15:16, lid wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:56:08 +0000, David wrote:

On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because
they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Robin
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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside

I'm not noticing Freesat boxes for sale.

You haven't looked very hard then!


Have just been to Richer Sounds website clicked all tv sets and results
were 24 pages, then filtered to Freesat and only 4 pages remained.
Put Freesat Box in Search and no results.
Regards
David
Tesco have them in

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Yes can agree with that as regards separates as I saw them whilst in
store last week. I was looking for a Freesat TV and as it was a Tesco
very large store and had many TV sets for sale but none have Freesat
built in.
Regards
David

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On 23/11/2014 15:16, lid wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:56:08 +0000, David wrote:

On 23/11/2014 14:40, tim..... wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
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the people who think that they are losing customers to SKY because they
can't market" HD on freeview properly


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Robin
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Only seems to be Samsung making some TV sets with Freesat inside

I'm not noticing Freesat boxes for sale.

You haven't looked very hard then!


Have just been to Richer Sounds website clicked all tv sets and results
were 24 pages, then filtered to Freesat and only 4 pages remained.
Put Freesat Box in Search and no results.

I think you've hit the nail square on the head here

whilst there are many freesat compliant satellite boxes, and recorders,
available they aren't universally marketed as "Freesat"