BBC Have Broken GetIPlayer

Bernard Peek wrote:
On 01/11/14 09:40, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Jim, I thought the HDMI output was encrypted for HD material, preventing
recording the picture or sound. Is that wrong?

I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find an HDMI box that outputs something
else like spdif.

To the best of my knowledge HDMI encryption hasn't been broken yet so as
yet you cannot get an HD signal out from any HDMI device. There are ways
of getting and recording SD signals though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-ba...#Circumvention

Of course you need the right hardware, far easier just to get eg. bluray
by software.
As for sat I guess there are ways but don't know what they are.

In article , Bernard Peek
wrote:
On 01/11/14 09:40, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Jim, I thought the HDMI output was encrypted for HD material,
preventing recording the picture or sound. Is that wrong?

I'm pretty sure you'd be able to find an HDMI box that outputs
something else like spdif.

To the best of my knowledge HDMI encryption hasn't been broken yet so as
yet you cannot get an HD signal out from any HDMI device. There are
ways of getting and recording SD signals though.

To be clear: Are you saying that if I buy a FreeviewHDTV and watch
FreeviewHD the spdif/optical audio output of the TV will not give any
output?

The answer to that question does matter as I'm currently planning to buy
such a TV sometime soon!

And is it really the case that no TV or studio engineers can buy or use any
box at all that will rip digital audio from HD HDMI?

Jim

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In article , Bernard Peek
wrote:
On 31/10/14 17:33, Jim Lesurf wrote:


Yes. The basic problem is that many of the large 'copyright owners'
are run by suits who remain obsessed with 'mechanical' ways to
'protect copyright'.

I think you will find that they are obsessed with effective methods of
protecting copyright. I doubt they care much whether the method is
digital or clockwork.

I think you will find that by 'mechanical' I meant any form of automatic
process rather than human actions like physical intervention or legal
threats. :-)

Jim

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In article , David Woolley
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On 01/11/14 14:03, Jim Lesurf wrote:
material made by the BBC or commissioned by them.

I would expect that the price for transfer of copyright, or at least the
right to sub-licence with no additional royalties, for a commissioned
work, would be higher than that for a limited licence to make it
available over the air, in the UK, and available to UK users of iPlayer,
for a 30 days.

Yes, that may well be so. However the BBC have said they want to move
towards having a long term archive accessible on line of 'all' their old
material. Or at least as close as proves practicable. I've heard this
expressed in programmes like 'Feedback' more than once. It understandably
means more cost for some items.

Jim

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Downloading TV using the --pid option seems to be working ATM, I can't
comment on radio, but will be trying that later.

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 14:49:43 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

So does this no longer work at all?
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:27:45 +0000 (UTC), Murff
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OK, I stand corrected on that point: I didn't know the BBC
simultaneously streams broadcast TV, but my main point is valid. You do
need a license for the broadcast signal no matter how its received, but
you don't for any stored program that you choose to watch/listen to
after the broadcast has been presented to the viewing/listening public.

It's ironic that when you're watching a broadcast "live" these days,
you're almost always watching something that isn't really live at all,
but has been recorded, i.e. stored, but just not by you. What this
effectively means is that the need for a licence depends on nothing
more than whose hard drive has been used to store it. Bonkers.

I do have a TV, but it isn't connected to anything other than a DVD
player and a couple of games consoles. When I bought it, the shop wanted
me to fill in a form... and a letter duly arrived from the TV tax people
telling me, somewhat rudely, that I had just bought TV reception
equipment but that I didn't have a licence. So on telling them I'd bought
video display equipment and quoting them the bit of their rules that said
I wasn't liable for their tax, they huffily "retained the right" to barge
into my house and make sure I wasn't telling porkers.

They don't have that right in the first place, and are probably
breaking some law if they claim that they have. Unless they turn up
with a warrant or court order (and a police officer as well, I think),
they can't enter your premises without your permission. How much you
enjoy telling them this and how politely you do so is up to you.

Rod.

In article , Java Jive
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Downloading TV using the --pid option seems to be working ATM, I can't
comment on radio, but will be trying that later.

Can anyone say: If you get a webpage like

.../programmes/pid

with a browser like FF, where in the files that provide this is the name
or details of the file to be transferred for the stream?

I'm wondering if they've totally changed the syntax of the stream's
filename and so get_iplayer can't find them any more.

I did experiment with the radiomode to try versions other than 'default'.
But no success.

Or with luck I just hit a temporary snag.

Jim

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 16:46:31 +0000, Jim Lesurf wrote:

Can anyone say: If you get a webpage like

.../programmes/pid

with a browser like FF, where in the files that provide this is the name
or details of the file to be transferred for the stream?

I'm wondering if they've totally changed the syntax of the stream's
filename and so get_iplayer can't find them any more.

I did experiment with the radiomode to try versions other than 'default'.
But no success.

I've been successfully downloading radio programs with commands like
get_iplayer --pid=b04mbm2p --raw

I use raw 'cos it's quicker - especially on a Raspberry Pi. I play it with VLC

This comes down as
BBC_iPlayer_Feeds_-_-_b04mbm2p_default.flv
which I have been renaming manually.

Hopefully the partly repaired version (due tomorrow) will restore the file name.
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/get_iplayer/2014-October/006369.html
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I can only say what I've just tried, which was The News Quiz ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006r9yq
.... but I found I'd given the above programme PID, so GIP listed all
the episodes it found (a great many going back years) together with
their PIDs and asked me to choose one of the episode PIDs, or else to
use ...
--pid-recursive
.... to download them all.

As it then went straight on the next programme, I can't comment
further for a while.

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 16:46:31 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Can anyone say: If you get a webpage like

.../programmes/pid
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I've just created a government petition which, if accepted, (well
let's dream for a while) would require all government and government-
or publically-funded institutions to use Open Source software and Open
Data standards wherever reasonably possible, specifically mentioning
Ofcom (no, I've not forgotten the transmitter radiation patterns), and
the BBC, C4 and other recipients of PSB funding.

I'll link to it if and when it gets put out to signatories.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:55:19 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

So in reality their main interest is - or IMHO should be - to make a system
that is good for their fee-payers veiwers/listeners without going 'too far'
and actively helping commercial pirates, etc. They can't get this perfect,
so should be erring on the side of not making life harder than necessary
for their millions of fee payers. Without them, they'd have no broadcasts
to worry about!
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