Freeview Renumbering what a farce.

On 05/09/2014 13:56, Martin wrote:

There is no beyond, the channels wrap around. If you step down the channels
numbers you find the crap quickly.

I've got a feeling my parents' LG telly does not, i.e you can't step
down to 999 from 1. I think that's the reason I couldn't adopt my
patented method of moving BBC 1 HD to Ch 1, and sticking BBC 1 SD South
on Ch 999.





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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:36:24 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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No idea, but not looked today. the extra station repeats are up in the
790s.
also, its now a lot easier to accidentally alight on the adult channels
I
see, as they are three digit numbers of course.
What is the point of leaving all the old channels active with nothing on
them?
Surely the faster people can declutter it the better. I also think they
need to have a rule where there are no smart only channels in the main
group, only ones that work off air. I am not amused by having bt sport
up
in the main group.

Yes they could have arranged things much better:

- put all the "proper" channels at the beginning of the list
- put the shopping channels such as Gems TV, QVC, Ideal World, The Store,
Rocks & Co, Jewellery Channel in another group
- put the adult channels in a separate group, maybe beyond all the other
channels

There is no beyond, the channels wrap around. If you step down the
channels
numbers you find the crap quickly.

Yes, I'm suggesting an order such as

- real programmes
- specialist channels (shopping, news, children's, adult) grouped by genre,
maybe with adult last and kept as far away from children's as possible (*)
- internet non-Freeview channels
- wraparound to the beginning of the list

The crucial thing is to put all the shopping on one place, all the adult in
another, all the non-Freeview in another, without mixing them up as is still
the case.

There may be a case to be made for putting +1 channels on a simple variant
of the main channel (ITV1=3 so ITV1+1=33, CH4=4 so 4+1=44 etc). How you deal
with other channels is more difficult. Maybe repeat the final digit
(Film4=15 so Film4+1=155 etc). Whatever scheme you use it will get in the
way of any carefully designed groups of similar channels on adjacent
numbers.


(*) OK this won't stop children going directly to adult channels by number
but at least it will lessen the chance that they will encounter them
accidently as they advance up or down the list.

On 05/09/2014 13:36, NY wrote:

Yes they could have arranged things much better:

Presumably you responded to the public consultation invitation on this
two years ago ? ;-)

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/industry/documents/DMOL_LCN_Consultation_29_March_2012.pdf


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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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On 05/09/2014 13:36, NY wrote:

Yes they could have arranged things much better:

Presumably you responded to the public consultation invitation on this two
years ago ? ;-)

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/industry/documents/DMOL_LCN_Consultation_29_March_2012.pdf

No, because I didn't know about it.

However they seem to be on the right lines: the table on Page 11 (which
doesn't copy and paste well, otherwise I'd have included it) seems to be
very much on the right lines. All they need to do is to implement it
properly :-)

The only thing I'd have done additionally is to have kept shopping channels
(which I'd class as Pikey TV) as a separate genre rather than including them
in "General Entertainment".

"NY" wrote in message
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I imagine they've left the 7x and 8x channels (kids and news) active for a
short time to encourage people to learn the new numbers, so that anyone
who
looks for BBC News on 80 knows what number to use in future, rather than
just finding that the number which they know has simply disappeared. I
presume the old instances of these channels use little/no bandwidth
because
they are just still frames. It's a shame that there isn't a rule that says
that every channel in the EPG, even if it's not yet broadcasting proper
programmes, must at least display a still slide saying what the channel
will
broadcast, rather than some of them giving a permanent black screen.

I like there to be at least one channel with a permanent black screen (and
no sound) to tune my PVR to so I'm not distracted when I stop playing a
recorded programme. I used to use BBC Red Button on 302 but there doesn't
seem to be an equivalent now. There's Dave Ja Vu which only broadcasts
during the early hours of the morning, but it's got an onscreen message that
shows through semi-transparent menus.

Do you know of a permanently black/no sound channel?

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"NY" wrote in message
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I imagine they've left the 7x and 8x channels (kids and news) active for
a
short time to encourage people to learn the new numbers, so that anyone
who
looks for BBC News on 80 knows what number to use in future, rather than
just finding that the number which they know has simply disappeared. I
presume the old instances of these channels use little/no bandwidth
because
they are just still frames. It's a shame that there isn't a rule that
says
that every channel in the EPG, even if it's not yet broadcasting proper
programmes, must at least display a still slide saying what the channel
will
broadcast, rather than some of them giving a permanent black screen.

I like there to be at least one channel with a permanent black screen (and
no sound) to tune my PVR to so I'm not distracted when I stop playing a
recorded programme. I used to use BBC Red Button on 302 but there doesn't
seem to be an equivalent now. There's Dave Ja Vu which only broadcasts
during the early hours of the morning, but it's got an onscreen message
that shows through semi-transparent menus.

Do you know of a permanently black/no sound channel?

An interesting question.

I remember when I used to top and tail my VHS recordings of programmes that
I wanted to keep I tried to find a source of a blank raster that I could
record to wipe out the continuity announcements before the opening titles
and as soon as the credits had finished. I had an analogue cable decoder
(Bracknell used to have cable to each house rather than allowing
roof-mounted aerials) and there was a channel on there that could be relied
on as such a source. Likewise for my first digital decoder (back in the days
of OnDigital) there was a blank channel somewhere.

But I bet it's hard to find one now that doesn't at the very least have a
DOG or some form of caption.

Of course the need for a blank raster for overwriting a VHS recording no
longer applies in the days of digital recordings and trimming programs such
as VideoRedo.

"John Hall" wrote in message
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In message , David writes
Just turned one of my TV sets on and it asks to do yet another rescan,
well did it and I now got Program 8 Made in Leeds back which disappeared
in yesterdays renumbering.

Are you others getting missing things back?

Do Freeview people know what they are doing?

Sounds like your first rescan was done before they'd finished moving
things around. I believe the advice is not to rescan --
John Hall


I've corrected it for you

tim

On 04/09/14 18:14, David wrote:
Just turned one of my TV sets on and it asks to do yet another rescan,
well did it and I now got Program 8 Made in Leeds back which disappeared
in yesterdays renumbering.

No, but the re-scan wiped out all the stations in memory, and inserted
them alphabetically*, so wasted an hour trying to renumber everything
back how it was (but not moving the news stations / children's stuff to
their proposed new numbers).

****ing Freeview junk.

Same **** design as DAB (explains why nobody used that crap wither).

Re-scan a satellite box doesn't wipe out all your favourite stations or
change the order (unless you tell it to). So satellite got the box
design right, Freeview and DAD didn't.


* No, junk "4Music" is NOT the #1 channel, I want "BBC1" as #1 etc.

"Ar" wrote in message ...
On 04/09/14 18:14, David wrote:
Just turned one of my TV sets on and it asks to do yet another rescan,
well did it and I now got Program 8 Made in Leeds back which disappeared
in yesterdays renumbering.

No, but the re-scan wiped out all the stations in memory, and inserted
them alphabetically*, so wasted an hour trying to renumber everything back
how it was (but not moving the news stations / children's stuff to their
proposed new numbers).

What box is that? Surely there is an option to list the channels by logical
channel number?

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"Ar" wrote in message
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On 04/09/14 18:14, David wrote:
Just turned one of my TV sets on and it asks to do yet
another rescan,
well did it and I now got Program 8 Made in Leeds back
which disappeared
in yesterdays renumbering.

No, but the re-scan wiped out all the stations in memory,
and inserted them alphabetically*, so wasted an hour
trying to renumber everything back how it was (but not
moving the news stations / children's stuff to their
proposed new numbers).

What box is that? Surely there is an option to list the
channels by logical channel number?




The TVonics box supplied by the DSO Helpline people sorts by
station name and there is no numerical option.

D'oh!


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