A good day for subtitle woes

BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen uses of
the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session". Once or
twice, ok; but many times?

An item on BBC Look East about "Tansy Beetles": John, Paul, et al. would
have been delighted, as this came up as "The Beatles".

Sometimes, there is no excuse.

When the BBC National News gives way to a short trailer for BBC Look
East, the subtitles are displayed showing the wording that the other
area (London? Manchester?) is getting, rather than what the local
newsreaders are saying. Again, this has been the case for months now.

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Davey.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:37:22 +0200
Martin wrote:

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 01:26:23 +0100, Davey
wrote:

BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen uses
of the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session". Once or
twice, ok; but many times?

An item on BBC Look East about "Tansy Beetles": John, Paul, et al.
would have been delighted, as this came up as "The Beatles".

Sometimes, there is no excuse.

When the BBC National News gives way to a short trailer for BBC Look
East, the subtitles are displayed showing the wording that the other
area (London? Manchester?) is getting, rather than what the local
newsreaders are saying. Again, this has been the case for months now.

and for years subtitles from later in the programme sometimes appear
as the main News starts.

True also.

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Davey.

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:26:23 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen uses of
the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session". Once or
twice, ok; but many times?

I know the news is live*, but it's usually scripted and read from an electronic prompt screen. I've never understood why that script can't be fed through to the subtitles.

*Although a lot of 'inserts' aren't.

Owain

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On Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:26:23 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen uses of
the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session". Once or
twice, ok; but many times?

I know the news is live*, but it's usually scripted and read from an
electronic prompt screen. I've never understood why that script can't
be fed through to the subtitles.

*Although a lot of 'inserts' aren't.

My wife relies totally on the subtitles, and sometimes they drive her
mad. There's no need for the news to be absolutely 'real-time'. There
could easily be a short delay to allow them to get the sub-titles right
(maybe there is, but they can't be bothered). However, it's not just
live programmes that have problems - many recorded programmes are nearly
as bad.


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Ian

Perhaps the BBC personnel are all being replaced by wax dummies?
Brian

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"Davey" wrote in message
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BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen uses of
the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session". Once or
twice, ok; but many times?

An item on BBC Look East about "Tansy Beetles": John, Paul, et al. would
have been delighted, as this came up as "The Beatles".

Sometimes, there is no excuse.

When the BBC National News gives way to a short trailer for BBC Look
East, the subtitles are displayed showing the wording that the other
area (London? Manchester?) is getting, rather than what the local
newsreaders are saying. Again, this has been the case for months now.

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Davey.

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:41:59 +0100
Ian Jackson wrote:

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On Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:26:23 AM UTC+1, Davey wrote:
BBC News: An item about e-cigarettes. For at least half a dozen
uses of the term, the subtitles rendered it as "session session".
Once or twice, ok; but many times?

I know the news is live*, but it's usually scripted and read from an
electronic prompt screen. I've never understood why that script
can't be fed through to the subtitles.

*Although a lot of 'inserts' aren't.

My wife relies totally on the subtitles, and sometimes they drive her
mad. There's no need for the news to be absolutely 'real-time'. There
could easily be a short delay to allow them to get the sub-titles
right (maybe there is, but they can't be bothered). However, it's not
just live programmes that have problems - many recorded programmes
are nearly as bad.



Yes, that's the problem. I understand that live news might have
problems, and I accept that, but the e-cigarette item was obviously a
previously prepared report, and for that there is no excuse.

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Davey.

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:09:49 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Perhaps the BBC personnel are all being replaced by wax dummies?

Nah! They've been replaced by e-people!

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TOJ.

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 4:52:34 PM UTC+1, The Other John wrote:
On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:09:49 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Perhaps the BBC personnel are all being replaced by wax dummies?

Nah! They've been replaced by e-people!

Isn't that actually the truth? Surely they use voice recognition software now, not actual people?

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT)
Norman Wells wrote:

On Saturday, September 6, 2014 4:52:34 PM UTC+1, The Other John wrote:
On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:09:49 +0100, Brian Gaff wrote:

Perhaps the BBC personnel are all being replaced by wax dummies?

Nah! They've been replaced by e-people!

Isn't that actually the truth? Surely they use voice recognition
software now, not actual people?

I believe it's actually combination. They need the people to correct
the mistakes it makes.

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Davey.

On 06/09/2014 18:24, Davey wrote:

I believe it's actually combination. They need the people to correct
the mistakes it makes.

I think the subtitles are produced by "re-speakers". A subtitler, whose
computer had "learnt" his/her speech accent "re-speaks" the words they
hear on screen. Voice Recognition then converts their speech to
subtitles. There's bound to be BBC R & D White Papers on it!

Richard