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On 14/03/2014 12:28, David wrote:
Car is 2011 Peugeot 308 can I get it to automatically change to nearest
BBC local station as I drive down the M1 from Leeds or west along the M62?
If yes what setting do I engage please?

It can't be engaged, the changes Doctor D referred to were made to
prevent that happening, because often the radio would change station
when it felt like it, not when you might have wanted it to happen !

They've arranged the codes so the last two digits (which enables
the RDS feature of generic switching) are on stations that are
geographically separated, so it's only going to happen during
lift conditions (as witnessed yesterday by the good Doctor)


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I thought I couldn't as you say but Martin said his car from Europe ( I
presume) said he did.
Maybe some miss understand between him and me.
Regards
David




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On 14/03/2014 12:28, David wrote:
Car is 2011 Peugeot 308 can I get it to automatically change to nearest
BBC local station as I drive down the M1 from Leeds or west along the M62?
If yes what setting do I engage please?

It can't be engaged, the changes Doctor D referred to were made to
prevent that happening, because often the radio would change station
when it felt like it, not when you might have wanted it to happen !

They've arranged the codes so the last two digits (which enables
the RDS feature of generic switching) are on stations that are
geographically separated, so it's only going to happen during
lift conditions (as witnessed yesterday by the good Doctor)


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On 14/03/2014 14:52, David wrote:
I thought I couldn't as you say but Martin said his car from Europe ( I
presume) said he did.
Maybe some miss understand between him and me.

Sheffield (C611) to Humberside (C81A) ?

I don't understand how, perhaps the radio had the stations stored
with their old (pre 2009) generically linked PI codes, but I'm not sure
it would still switch.

Dunno


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On 13.03.2014 17:44, Doctor D wrote:

As I joined the M4 eastbound from the A419 at Swindon this morning at
about 6.15, the radio switched from BBC Berks on 104.1 to BBC Shropshire
on 96.0 from The Wrekin.
BBC Berkshire fades a bit here as the hill blocks LOS to Hannington. I
presume BBC Berks and BBC Shrops share a PI code?

According to www.fmlist.org and the Ofcom file, BBC Berkshire has C71A
and BBC Shropshire C61A.

For networks with regional opt-outs, the second digit of the PI code is
supposed to vary with the different opt-outs. So, the car radio appears
to have recognised BBC Shrops just as different regional version of the
same network service :-)

Regards,
Uli

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On 14/03/2014 14:52, David wrote:
I thought I couldn't as you say but Martin said his car
from Europe ( I
presume) said he did.
Maybe some miss understand between him and me.

Sheffield (C611) to Humberside (C81A) ?

I don't understand how, perhaps the radio had the stations
stored
with their old (pre 2009) generically linked PI codes, but
I'm not sure
it would still switch.

Dunno


Unless I have misunderstood there Mark, your code info is
wrong. York, Sheffield, Leeds and Humberside are all C?14 so
a car radio with regional switched off will see no
difference between them and will assume they are all the
same programme.


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On 14/03/2014 18:23, Woody wrote:
Unless I have misunderstood there Mark, your code info is
wrong. York, Sheffield, Leeds and Humberside are all C?14 so
a car radio with regional switched off will see no
difference between them and will assume they are all the
same programme.

They were until 2009, but take a look at the Ofcom sheet I provided
the link to earlier in this thead , they are no longer C*14.

I've just checked my local stations, and they are all as per the Ofcom data


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Martin wrote:

The traffic reports from Humberside can be very irritating. There are far too
many of them, compared to elsewhere. Often they are very trivial.

And we are always treated to a minute of promotions for R Humberside
progs before the radio switches back to Radio 4.

Bill

On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:29:24 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

The traffic reports from Humberside can be very irritating. There are far too
many of them, compared to elsewhere. Often they are very trivial.

And we are always treated to a minute of promotions for R Humberside
progs before the radio switches back to Radio 4.

Which means they probably can't be arsed to switch TA off properly.
Our lot were terrible for it, but I guess complaints have been made
as the incidence logs of timeouts are far fewer than they used to be.

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 20:29:24 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

The traffic reports from Humberside can be very irritating. There are far too
many of them, compared to elsewhere. Often they are very trivial.
And we are always treated to a minute of promotions for R Humberside
progs before the radio switches back to Radio 4.

Which means they probably can't be arsed to switch TA off properly.

Why, do they control it? I thought it was automatic. Mark C will be
along shortly to explain.

Bill

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 00:26:18 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

The traffic reports from Humberside can be very irritating. There are far too
many of them, compared to elsewhere. Often they are very trivial.
And we are always treated to a minute of promotions for R Humberside
progs before the radio switches back to Radio 4.

Which means they probably can't be arsed to switch TA off properly.

Why, do they control it?

Yes, of course they do. How else would it know when to trigger?
Usually it's done off the playout system in one of two forms - either
logic outputs triggered direct or via embedded tones in some bit of
audio - the travel jingle - which feeds a decoder which generates the
logic outputs. Additionally, there is often a manual on/off option.

I would guess the usual cause for failure is not playing the travel
out jingle and relying on the 3 minute timeout to cancel TA.

I thought it was automatic. Mark C will be along shortly to explain.

With respect, I'm not sure how he would know what goes on at the
station end.

Perhaps I should remind you that I wrote the interface software for the
station end signalling?
This was a replacement for a 20 year old obsolete hardware design, which
became problematic when they wanted to add new services and couldn't
obtain the units (initially for feeding TXs at Peterborough and Plympton
if memory serves).
There is a programme to push stations which are still using the hardware
onto the software solution (because it saves on a serial data circuit and
associated hardware, as my s/w talks IP direct) - hopefully it should be
about complete.