Noisey hard drives

Scott Streeter shaped the electrons to say:
A friend at work passed on his series one to me since he was

Heh, heh. Welcome to the cult. ;-)

drives are loud. He had purchased an extra one off 9th Tee and
commented that's the louder one. I was thinking of getting hard drive
enclosures for them to silence them but I don't want to overheat the
drives either. Has anyone done something like this already?

You could buy a newer drive with fluid bearings and swap them out. It
isn't that hard to do, and I'm sure you can find a use for the older
drive somewhere. :-)

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:31:54 -0400, jcondon wrote:

Doesn't have to do this on a win9x or lower operating system? Doesn't
NT, win2K, and WinXP mess up the drive signature?

ONLY if you boot into Win2k/XP while your TiVo drive is connected to the
PC.

For AMSET, you'll want to boot from a DOS floppy, so you wouldn't boot into
NT anyway.

In any case, disconnecting your NT boot drive is good insurance against the
"oopsies."
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:13:38 -0400, "Brad Bishop"
wrote:

"Scott Streeter" wrote in message
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A friend at work passed on his series one to me since he was
upgrading. I think TiVo is great (now that I have one) put the hard
drives are loud. He had purchased an extra one off 9th Tee and
commented that's the louder one. I was thinking of getting hard drive
enclosures for them to silence them but I don't want to overheat the
drives either. Has anyone done something like this already?
Recommendations? Thanks.

Get a non-noisy hard drive:
http://www.storagereview.com/comparison.html

Select 'Idle Noise' from the drop down and click on 'Sort'.

The Seagate is what I use (it's ~$100 from pricewatch) and I can't hear a
thing out of it. FDB (Fluid Dynamic Bearing) drives seem to be pretty good
for low noise.

Good luck.

Brad


I just replaced the 40g in my Hughes DirectTivo this week with a
Maxtor 120g that Bestbuy had on sale for $90. It was the 100g plus 20
gig free model. The spinning noise is the same level as the old 40g
HD. However, I can hear the heads accessing the drive when the TV is
off and it is in the bedroom. I looked on Maxtor's web page and it
implied the AMSET.EXE was not for my model of HD.

Will it work with a model: L01J100?

I had a model L01P120 with the 8 meg cache on hand but did not use it
since it seemed a waste to put the 8 meg cache on the Tivo. However, I
woke up at 6am this morning was could heard the new HD clicking away.

It is not really practical to try and move the Tivo to another room
however, I might try to find some type of encloser.

I am 57 so my hearing has lost the high freqs. but I can easy hear the
heads clicking. Even if I put it in Standby it keeps clicking when
nothing is being recorded. I had this same problem with the stand
alone Tivo I just replaced. I could hear the HD clicking as it was
recording.

I took out the original 40g so could clone it again with the DD option
with the other 120g if I was pretty sure it might be quieter.

Are you sure that AMSET.EXE will work with all models of the 120g
Maxtor HDs and will it work on the Lo1J100? Can I still run it even
thought it has been TIVOed??

wrote
I just replaced the 40g in my Hughes DirectTivo this week with a
Maxtor 120g that Bestbuy had on sale for $90. It was the 100g plus 20
gig free model. The spinning noise is the same level as the old 40g
HD. However, I can hear the heads accessing the drive when the TV is
off and it is in the bedroom. I looked on Maxtor's web page and it
implied the AMSET.EXE was not for my model of HD.

Don't believe what the web page implies or even what a tech
support operator may tell you. I've been through this with them.
The only way to find out is to run it with the drive attached to
your computer. Use AMSET /CHECK to see the current setting.
There typically are three: OFF/UNSUPPORTED (don't believe
the UNSUPPPORTED -- even coming from AMSET; that's
what /CHECK will report if the feature is turned off -- and the
other two are PERFORMANCE, which is somewhere between
OFF/UNSUPPORTED and the other setting (QUIET/ON, iirc)
in terms of noise and speed.


Will it work with a model: L01J100?

You'll just have to try.


I had a model L01P120 with the 8 meg cache on hand but did not use it
since it seemed a waste to put the 8 meg cache on the Tivo.

It is.


However, I
woke up at 6am this morning was could heard the new HD clicking away.
It is not really practical to try and move the Tivo to another room
however, I might try to find some type of encloser.

That's your best bet, probably.


I am 57 so my hearing has lost the high freqs. but I can easy hear the
heads clicking. Even if I put it in Standby it keeps clicking when
nothing is being recorded. I had this same problem with the stand
alone Tivo I just replaced. I could hear the HD clicking as it was
recording.

Standby doesn't do anything in terms of lowering power consumption
or hard drive wear. It just turns off the output of A/V from the output
jacks in the back of the machine. If you have a combo DirecTV-TiVo
box, some people have reported some sort of power savings, but it
certainly isn't significant.


I took out the original 40g so could clone it again with the DD option
with the other 120g if I was pretty sure it might be quieter.
Are you sure that AMSET.EXE will work with all models of the 120g
Maxtor HDs and will it work on the Lo1J100? Can I still run it even
thought it has been TIVOed??

You'll just have to try. It helps that you are "recloning" onto the drive
you want to use with AMSET vs. just expecting to be able to run
AMSET on a drive and put it back in the TiVo box. You might be
able to do that as well. Just try it out and make sure to make a backup
with MFS Tools 2. (Why are you running the DD command directly?)

Bao H. Lammy wrote:
Standby doesn't do anything in terms of lowering power consumption
or hard drive wear. It just turns off the output of A/V from the output
jacks in the back of the machine. If you have a combo DirecTV-TiVo
box, some people have reported some sort of power savings, but it
certainly isn't significant.

IIRC, it also stop recording any live TV buffers as well, which does
affect disk usage.

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"Jon Biggar" wrote in message
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IIRC, it also stop recording any live TV buffers as well, which does
affect disk usage.

Only for the DirecTiVo models. The standalones keep recording the buffer in
standby.

Steve

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:09:56 +0000, Steve Lionel wrote:

Only for the DirecTiVo models. The standalones keep recording the buffer
in standby.

Hehehe... what a waste.

Hrm... I guess it would be neat to be able to turn on the TV and see what
was on 30 seconds earlier, though.

When you turn on a TiVo, does it default to the last channel that it was
tuned to? Or does it pop up a menu or something?

(Don't have one yet... trying to justify spending the money...)

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Lenroc

Lenroc wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:09:56 +0000, Steve Lionel wrote:


Only for the DirecTiVo models. The standalones keep recording the buffer
in standby.


Hehehe... what a waste.

Hrm... I guess it would be neat to be able to turn on the TV and see what
was on 30 seconds earlier, though.

30 minutes, not 30 seconds.

When you turn on a TiVo, does it default to the last channel that it was
tuned to? Or does it pop up a menu or something?

You don't "turn on a TiVo". As long as it is plugged in it is on.
(Some models have a Standby mode, but it is not the same thing as "off".)
TiVo is like a Linux server - it stays on 24/7 in order to properly
handle upcoming scheduled events.

When you turn your TV on, it will show
*) Live TV on whatever channel was last tuned to, or
*) Delayed live TV if you had previously paused, or
*) Freeze-frame if you had paused a previously recorded program.

(Don't have one yet... trying to justify spending the money...)

Buy one. Now! You won't regret it!
-Joe

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:09:23 +0000, Joe Smith wrote:

30 minutes, not 30 seconds.

Oh. Well, then...

You don't "turn on a TiVo".

That's a matter of semantics. I've been reading these other threads about
the same topic... I consider it to be off if I turn my TV on and don't see
anything. I have to turn it (the TiVo) "on" to see something, so it was
previously "off".

Standby == off, as far as I'm concerned. Or, in other words, I'm not as
concerned about the server aspect as I am the GUI aspect. If the GUI is
off, the box is off IMHO.

Just like a web server. If it's not responding to requests, I don't care
if the machine it's running on is "off" or not.... the server is "off".

*) Live TV on whatever channel was last tuned to, or *) Delayed live
TV if you had previously paused, or *) Freeze-frame if you had paused
a previously recorded program.

Nice. So I can press "Pause" while watching live TV, turn the TiVo off
(see above), switch over to my PS2 for a while, then turn the TiVo back
on (see above) and it will just resume where I left off?

Buy one. Now! You won't regret it!

OK. Thanks for the response. That sentence was enough to make me go buy
one!

Seriously!

Uh... can I borrow $500?

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Lenroc

"Lenroc" wrote in message
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Nice. So I can press "Pause" while watching live TV, turn the TiVo off
(see above), switch over to my PS2 for a while, then turn the TiVo back
on (see above) and it will just resume where I left off?

Maybe. If you put it into standby, you may find it on some other channel if
it has decided to record a suggestion (since it's in standby, it wouldn't
need to ask), or if there was a scheduled recording that came up. If you
waited more than 30 minutes, you'll lose the part of the program that fell
off the buffer. If it's a show you want to see, press record. Then, no
matter when you come back, it will be there for you. Pause is good for
answering the phone (or call of nature), but if you're going to be gone
longer, press record.

There's no point in using Standby on a standalone model unless you use the
RF passthrough mode. Just turn the TV off and walk away.

Steve