Broadcasting duration

"PeterC" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:05:39 +0100, tim...... wrote:



I had to de-select AR as such operation is CFU in my book

I've not yet found a use for it.

I'd like to have series link and padding

there's no technical reason why they can't offer it, they just decide not to

tim

"Alan White" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:41:40 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

I wouldn't even want one of them,...

We have a Humax Foxsat HDR and have no issues with it at all.

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Either you never use it to record multiple "back to back" progs or have got
lucky with them never overrunning (or starting early).

It is impossible to resolve this issue without losing some content and every
manufacturer will have to choose a solution, and the one that they choose
won't keep everyone happy, all of the time.

I don't doubt that the Foxsat solution is better than the 9200/9150/9300
solution (cos it couldn't be worse), but it impossible for it to be perfect

tim

"Dickie mint" wrote in message
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On 04/01/2014 13:11, Bill Wright wrote:
Alan White wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:41:40 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

I wouldn't even want one of them,...

We have a Humax Foxsat HDR and have no issues with it at all.


I have several, and they are always well behaved. What's more we have
sold a lot and we just don't get complaints.

Bill

I've got a Foxsat HDR and that occasionally misses the end of a recording.
But I thought that was a well known Humax bug, which obviously gets
repeated across their machines.

Hm,

ISTR that the "well known" bug was missing off the start. Not becaue it
missed the start signal, but because it didn't wake up from standby early
enough, to look for it.

But they fixed that.

tim

On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:47:15 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"PeterC" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:05:39 +0100, tim...... wrote:



I had to de-select AR as such operation is CFU in my book

I've not yet found a use for it.

I'd like to have series link and padding

there's no technical reason why they can't offer it, they just decide
not to

tim



See elsewhere, it works on my recent Humax.
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Davey.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:55:22 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:

Either you never use it to record multiple "back to back" progs...

Frequently.

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"Davey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:00:51 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:13:57 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:29:48 +0000
Davey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:40:56 +0000
Mark Carver wrote:

On 02/01/2014 11:38, Bill Wright wrote:
Davey wrote:

Having absorbed all the advice given here, I have had my
Humax set at 'Accurate Recording' for some time. So the
end of Guy Martin's Speed attempt was cut off just before
his final run, eliminating the result of his attempt.
There was a BBC2 program over Christmas that had the same
problem. This does not go down well with SWMBO.


If I set my old SD Humax to anything other than 'exact
time' it won't do series link.

Which is what I'd expect, the 'Accurate Record' system relies
on you using the *published* start and finish times, in order
to track the real time transmission of the programmes. It was
exactly the same with PDC as used on analogue networks. If you
tamper with the start or end time, you destroy the algorithms
used by AR to know what's what.



But my Humax happily offered me Series Recording, as well as a
load of what it thought, oddly, were connected programs, while
it was in Accurate Recording mode.


Ok, I misinterpreted your response to Bill. It must have been a
combination of his use of 'exact time', plus your use of
'published', all contributed to get me confused. So now that my
machine is set to 'padding' again, I'll see if it does Series
Link.

It won't

tim


It did, this morning.

padding and series link - on a hummy. Which one?

tim


HDR-Fox-T2-1TB-G.



Oh so it does

off to the shops for me then :-)



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Davey.

"PeterC" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:01:46 +0000, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Apart from a Humax 8000T (because it was cheap) I've only used
Panasonic PVRs and had none of the problems I regularly see people
wailing about here with their Humaxes, Topfields etc. If a recording
is going to overlap something already set, I get a warning when I try
to program it so a clash never occurs,

The Humax does that, but what it doesn't warn about is a programme running
over/starting before nominal time. Some channels seem to have almost a
random starting time.

not that I watch it (I just see it start as it comes straight after the
local news), but "the one show" always starts at least 2 minutes early -
what the **** is that all about!

tim

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:01:46 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:51:18 +0000, brightside S9
wrote:

New fangled PVRs have a mind of their own.
I got a Samsung BD-F8500M PVR for Christmas.

Last night I set it to record (all HD):
BBC2 at 2100 PQ17
ITV 1 at 2100 Benidorm
BBC2 at 2200 Rab C Nesbitt
CH 4 At 2200 Secerts of the Scammers

At about 2030 whilst watchingThe Restoration Man on CH4 (2000 -
2100) using tuner on the PVR a message popped up on the screen saying
a recoding was rescheduled. What did I want to do:

1. Cancel Benidorm or
2. Change nothing.

I checked the EPG and nothing there indicated that any timings had
changed, so I changed nothing in the schedule.

Just after this pop up message I switched to the TV internal tuner (as
SWMBO wqnted to watch BBC1 Silent Witness at 2100), and watched the
remainder of Restoration Man. Changed channel on TV at 2100 to BBC1
and went to watch Benidorm on ITV1 on the kitchen TV whilst I did my
"kitchen duties". It started at 2100 AFAICT.

Later, around 2230, I checked the PVR and sure enough it had recorded
Beidorm, PQ17 and was in the midst of recording Secrets of the
Scammers.

What had happened to Rab C Nesbitt recording on BBC2 at 2200? Who
fecking knows? I don't!

My old Topfield would have just clipped the end / beginning of
whatever programme was causing the conflict.

Stupid modern fecking equipment - function sacraficed for form.

Apart from a Humax 8000T (because it was cheap) I've only used
Panasonic PVRs and had none of the problems I regularly see people
wailing about here with their Humaxes, Topfields etc. If a recording
is going to overlap something already set, I get a warning when I try
to program it so a clash never occurs, and unlike the case with the
Humax (never again), none of the normal control operations, including
power off, will interrupt a recording already under way. With the most
recent PVR, I can even edit a previous programme while it is recording
another one. It's also possible to use up to three Panasonic devices
with different remote control codes so they don't interfere. They
really seem to have thought about the ergonomics. Hopefully I won't
need another PVR for a while, but I know what brand it's going to be.

Both my Freesat HD and my Dutch cable Humax PVRs give warnings and
alternatives
to avoid overlapping broadcasts. I am very happy with my Freesat DH PVR.
The
Dutch cable HUMAX PVR is limited by only three days of EPG being
available.
The only thing that will interrupt a Humax recording is pulling out the
plug or
the user canceling the recording.
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Martin in Zuid Holland

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:01:46 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:


Both my Freesat HD and my Dutch cable Humax PVRs give warnings and
alternatives

sorry about the message with no reply

my "Dutch" AKA Belgacom PVR would automatically add 10 minutes at the start
and 20 minutes at the end of any selected recording. But it didn't do this
is a "soft" way, it did it by hardcoding the change to the start and end
times in the saved record list.

This meant that If you wanted to make another recording that (theoretically)
started immediately afterwards it told you that it clashed with the previous
recording.

To fix this you have to go back to the previous recording and delete the
padding that it had put in (which took about 25 key presses) and then select
the second program and manually tell it not to add the start padding, which
took another 25 key presses. It was incapable of working all this out for
itself

Useless piece of ****e

On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:55:22 +0100, "tim......"
wrote:


"Alan White" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:41:40 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

I wouldn't even want one of them,...

We have a Humax Foxsat HDR and have no issues with it at all.

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Either you never use it to record multiple "back to back" progs or have got
lucky with them never overrunning (or starting early).

It is impossible to resolve this issue without losing some content and every
manufacturer will have to choose a solution, and the one that they choose
won't keep everyone happy, all of the time.

I don't doubt that the Foxsat solution is better than the 9200/9150/9300
solution (cos it couldn't be worse), but it impossible for it to be perfect

Over time I've acquired two Humax Foxsat HDRs and two Humax Fox-T2s.
When there are programmes I really really want to have recorded in full
I spread the "recording duties" across the boxes so as to avoid clashes
between progs starting early or finishing late.

Perhaps sometime in the future someone will make a PVR with 4 or 5
tuners.....


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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)