Broadcasting duration

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:39:17 +0000
Davey wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:34:33 +0000
PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 23:24:14 +0000, Davey wrote:

were you attempting to record another program on a different
channel immediately afterwards?

The Hummy's conflict resolution in this instance is less them
optimal

tim


I don't think so, but I'll check. It's normally good at telling me
about conflicts, asking me which one I want to delete from the
schedule.

Yes - if you're there at that moment, but it does have a habit of
ditching a programme just starting so that it can record the last
bit of the credits on the current one.

After my recent experiences, I think I would prefer that to cutting
off the end. You can interpolate a beginning more easily than work
out what the final scene was. Such as the missed few minutes of last
night's PQ17, and there was nothing else in the recording queue. And
that was with 10 minutes padding!


I stand corrected, there was a planned recording immediately following
PQ17, on a different channel. Now we may be on to something, thank you.
I now have a useful lead to follow up.

--
Davey.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:43:32 +0000, Davey wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:39:17 +0000
Davey wrote:

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:34:33 +0000
PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 23:24:14 +0000, Davey wrote:

were you attempting to record another program on a different
channel immediately afterwards?

The Hummy's conflict resolution in this instance is less them
optimal

tim


I don't think so, but I'll check. It's normally good at telling me
about conflicts, asking me which one I want to delete from the
schedule.

Yes - if you're there at that moment, but it does have a habit of
ditching a programme just starting so that it can record the last
bit of the credits on the current one.

After my recent experiences, I think I would prefer that to cutting
off the end. You can interpolate a beginning more easily than work
out what the final scene was. Such as the missed few minutes of last
night's PQ17, and there was nothing else in the recording queue. And
that was with 10 minutes padding!


I stand corrected, there was a planned recording immediately following
PQ17, on a different channel. Now we may be on to something, thank you.
I now have a useful lead to follow up.

On some evenings there's been a lot to record and I have two ploys:

be on the 'core' channel if there are no consecutive programmes but there
are overlaps, so that I'm on 'B', 'A' is recording, 'B' starts, say, 30
mins. later, 'A' stops 30 mins. later, another 30 mins. and 'C' starts then
'B' stops after that.

For (fully or partly) concurrent programmes with consecutive ones as well, I
choose the 'core' channel then, for programmes that I know will have 'next
time...'/credits I manually stop the recording just before the end.

I almost always watch recordings, even if only a minute or so later, then I
can stop a recording, drop out of it and change channel if necessary.

All a damned faf - be lovely to have a tuner that could handle more than 2
inputs - I have 2 spare cables from the LNB.
Another way is to record some from Freesat and watch one 'live' on Freeview.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:39:17 +0000, Davey wrote:

You can interpolate a beginning more easily than work out what
the final scene was.

By definition, you can't interpolate beyond the extremities of something.
You probably meant extrapolate (backwards).

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:51:18 +0000, brightside S9
wrote:

New fangled PVRs have a mind of their own.
I got a Samsung BD-F8500M PVR for Christmas.

Last night I set it to record (all HD):
BBC2 at 2100 PQ17
ITV 1 at 2100 Benidorm
BBC2 at 2200 Rab C Nesbitt
CH 4 At 2200 Secerts of the Scammers

At about 2030 whilst watchingThe Restoration Man on CH4 (2000 -
2100) using tuner on the PVR a message popped up on the screen saying
a recoding was rescheduled. What did I want to do:

1. Cancel Benidorm or
2. Change nothing.

I checked the EPG and nothing there indicated that any timings had
changed, so I changed nothing in the schedule.

Just after this pop up message I switched to the TV internal tuner (as
SWMBO wqnted to watch BBC1 Silent Witness at 2100), and watched the
remainder of Restoration Man. Changed channel on TV at 2100 to BBC1
and went to watch Benidorm on ITV1 on the kitchen TV whilst I did my
"kitchen duties". It started at 2100 AFAICT.

Later, around 2230, I checked the PVR and sure enough it had recorded
Beidorm, PQ17 and was in the midst of recording Secrets of the
Scammers.

What had happened to Rab C Nesbitt recording on BBC2 at 2200? Who
fecking knows? I don't!

My old Topfield would have just clipped the end / beginning of
whatever programme was causing the conflict.

Stupid modern fecking equipment - function sacraficed for form.

Apart from a Humax 8000T (because it was cheap) I've only used
Panasonic PVRs and had none of the problems I regularly see people
wailing about here with their Humaxes, Topfields etc. If a recording
is going to overlap something already set, I get a warning when I try
to program it so a clash never occurs, and unlike the case with the
Humax (never again), none of the normal control operations, including
power off, will interrupt a recording already under way. With the most
recent PVR, I can even edit a previous programme while it is recording
another one. It's also possible to use up to three Panasonic devices
with different remote control codes so they don't interfere. They
really seem to have thought about the ergonomics. Hopefully I won't
need another PVR for a while, but I know what brand it's going to be.

Rod.

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:01:46 +0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:
It's also possible to use up to three Panasonic devices
with different remote control codes so they don't interfere.

Six devices in the case of Humax.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

"Davey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:13:57 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:29:48 +0000
Davey wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 14:40:56 +0000
Mark Carver wrote:

On 02/01/2014 11:38, Bill Wright wrote:
Davey wrote:

Having absorbed all the advice given here, I have had my Humax
set at 'Accurate Recording' for some time. So the end of Guy
Martin's Speed attempt was cut off just before his final run,
eliminating the result of his attempt. There was a BBC2
program over Christmas that had the same problem. This does
not go down well with SWMBO.


If I set my old SD Humax to anything other than 'exact time' it
won't do series link.

Which is what I'd expect, the 'Accurate Record' system relies on
you using the *published* start and finish times, in order to
track the real time transmission of the programmes. It was
exactly the same with PDC as used on analogue networks. If you
tamper with the start or end time, you destroy the algorithms
used by AR to know what's what.



But my Humax happily offered me Series Recording, as well as a
load of what it thought, oddly, were connected programs, while it
was in Accurate Recording mode.


Ok, I misinterpreted your response to Bill. It must have been a
combination of his use of 'exact time', plus your use of
'published', all contributed to get me confused. So now that my
machine is set to 'padding' again, I'll see if it does Series Link.

It won't

tim


It did, this morning.

padding and series link - on a hummy. Which one?

tim

"PeterC" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 23:24:14 +0000, Davey wrote:

were you attempting to record another program on a different channel
immediately afterwards?

The Hummy's conflict resolution in this instance is less them optimal

tim


I don't think so, but I'll check. It's normally good at telling me
about conflicts, asking me which one I want to delete from the schedule.

Yes - if you're there at that moment, but it does have a habit of ditching
a
programme just starting so that it can record the last bit of the credits
on
the current one.

Are you sure?

mine did the reverse

if the prog that you are watching overruns it stops it at the "booked time"
so that it can start to watch for the start signal for the next program

It does this even if the next program is on the same channel and hence can't
possible start until the current one has finished.

And it makes no attempt to use the second channel for the second program, it
reserves this for "live rewind" even if the box is set to standby with no
possibility of that feature being used

I had to de-select AR as such operation is CFU in my book

tim



--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:15:30 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:42:10 +0000
Davey wrote:

Who decides when a TV program has finished, as far as a PVR is
concerned? My new Humax-Fox recently decided that the last episode
of Inspector Montalbano had finished several minutes before the
actual end, and that was with a 5-minute padding time. Then last
night, with a 10-minute padding time set up, the longest
available, it stopped recording Ripper Street while the credits
and 'Next Week ..' were still rolling.
Is there somebody I can complain to, and if so, who is it?

Having absorbed all the advice given here, I have had my Humax set
at 'Accurate Recording' for some time. So the end of Guy Martin's
Speed attempt was cut off just before his final run, eliminating
the result of his attempt. There was a BBC2 program over Christmas
that had the same problem. This does not go down well with SWMBO.

were you attempting to record another program on a different channel
immediately afterwards?

The Hummy's conflict resolution in this instance is less them optimal

tim


I don't think so, but I'll check. It's normally good at telling me
about conflicts,

but it's not a conflict when you set it

it only becomes one when the first prog overruns (by which time you wont be
sitting by the box able to answer the question)

tim

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:57:19 +0000, Peter Duncanson
wrote:

It's also possible to use up to three Panasonic devices
with different remote control codes so they don't interfere.

Six devices in the case of Humax.

I wouldn't even want one of them, never mind six. All I see about them
here is tales of woe about how they can't get the start and end
padding right, or they miss recordings altogether, and various other
niggly problems that I've never had with the Panasonics. The only
Humax PVR I ever had (the 8000T) would only allow simultaneous
playback of the same programme it was recording and would kill the
playback at the end of the recording time, and the power off button
would kill everything whatever it was doing. I've seen lots of
postings here about issues with Humax and Topfield and hardly anything
about others. In my experience, the Panasonics just work, they neither
need nor get software updates, and a recording once set will always be
done at the allotted time regardless of anything I do short of pulling
the plug.

Rod.

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:07:57 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:15:30 +0100
"tim......" wrote:


"Davey" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:42:10 +0000
Davey wrote:

Who decides when a TV program has finished, as far as a PVR is
concerned? My new Humax-Fox recently decided that the last
episode of Inspector Montalbano had finished several minutes
before the actual end, and that was with a 5-minute padding
time. Then last night, with a 10-minute padding time set up,
the longest available, it stopped recording Ripper Street while
the credits and 'Next Week ..' were still rolling.
Is there somebody I can complain to, and if so, who is it?

Having absorbed all the advice given here, I have had my Humax
set at 'Accurate Recording' for some time. So the end of Guy
Martin's Speed attempt was cut off just before his final run,
eliminating the result of his attempt. There was a BBC2 program
over Christmas that had the same problem. This does not go down
well with SWMBO.

were you attempting to record another program on a different
channel immediately afterwards?

The Hummy's conflict resolution in this instance is less them
optimal

tim


I don't think so, but I'll check. It's normally good at telling me
about conflicts,

but it's not a conflict when you set it

it only becomes one when the first prog overruns (by which time you
wont be sitting by the box able to answer the question)

tim


Yep, that makes sense.

--
Davey.