OT bags

Peter Duncanson wrote:

Apparently the energy costs of making paper bags is far higher than the flimsy plastic ones.

Which is part of the reason that paper carrier bags are subject to the
5p levy in Northern Ireland along with plastic ones.

Which just shows up the absurdity of the whole thing.

It's possible for making a case to ban pretty well anything on
environmental grounds. Everything we do affects the environment. We are
at the mercy of the greenys and the gutless politicians.

Bill

Huge wrote:

Define "working well". In Eire, which has had the levy for several years,
consumption of bags has risen, not fallen.



And consumption of other, much thicker heavier bags, has gone up as well.

Bill

Peter Duncanson wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25% of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged.

Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of one
attack of food poisoning.

Bill

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:20:33 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

The ******* mardy binmen carefully removed a cardboard drink container
from my recycling and threw it on the ground. Presumably it is because
it is waxed. They could just have easily have put it in the adjacent
grey bin. But no, they like to be officious ****s. That's their
Christmas tip cancelled.

Mine broke the lid off my brown food recycling container this week.
That's the second one they've done it to.
So, I completed the job and smashed the whole thing properly into
lots of bits and chucked it in the non-recyclables bin.
The food waste is going in there too from now on.

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 20:52:03 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25% of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged.

Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of one
attack of food poisoning.

Given the amount of chunder I've seen on the streets the last couple of
weeks (presuambly) from rich BS Uni. students, probably quite high.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Peter Duncanson wrote:

Apparently the energy costs of making paper bags is far higher than the
flimsy plastic ones.

Which is part of the reason that paper carrier bags are subject to the
5p levy in Northern Ireland along with plastic ones.

Which just shows up the absurdity of the whole thing.

It's possible for making a case to ban pretty well anything on
environmental grounds.

but some things are necessary

use once bags are not

tim

Bill Wright wrote:
Peter Duncanson wrote:

In terms of single-use bags used the figures so far released for the
first three month period the usage seems to have dropped to about 25% of
what it was. On the basis of casual observation in the supermarket,
convenience stores and shops that I use I'd estimate the drop to be much
greater. People are using either their own bags or multiple-use bags
sold by the retailers, or are carrying small numbers of items unbagged.

Which is very unhygienic. I wonder what is the environmental cost of one
attack of food poisoning.

Bill

Oh for FFS! Do you *really* think that reusing carrier bags is responsible
for food poisoning? Really scraping the barrel now.

Tim

D.M.Chapman wrote:

stuart noble wrote:

I dug out some stuff from the loft the other day. A supermarket bag from
20 years ago was in VERY tiny pieces

Tesco ones? They had a spell of "degradable" (they carefully avoided saying
"Biodegradable"

Yep, had those fall to bits in flakes

One of my magazine subscriptions comes in a plastic wrap which it
describes as "oxidegradable".

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large
box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****,
clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing,
disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things.
When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from
much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I
will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost
me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get
onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s.

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of
my way to do this.

Bill

Remember congratulating an Irish shop on their attitude a few years
ago. The guy behind the till remarked that it was a complete failure
-since the levy was applied they had lost more trollies and steel
baskets than ever before.

I have to congratulate Tesco on their biodegradable bin-liner bags.
They are superb - just three days after you've installed one in in
your food waste bin it has degraded and hence soiled the container.
Clearly the answer is we need daily food waste collections instead of
weekly.

GrahamC

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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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Nothing happened to conventional shopping bags. We have half a dozen
that we take to the supermarket each time.

I think you are talking about carrier bags of some kind. Actual
"conventional shopping bags" are big things, usually of cloth and perhaps
leather handles. You would only expect to carry one.

Actually the "bags for life". But why would I be carrying them? What
d'ye think the shopping trolley is for, eh?

No I'm not talking about "bags for life". They are just thick carrier bags.

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Max Demian