OT bags

On 19/12/2013 10:46, lid wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large
box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog ****,
clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing,
disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of things.
When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from
much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and I
will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will cost
me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will get
onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s.

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of
my way to do this.

Whatever happened to conventional shopping bags? We have always used
them rather than the throw-away plastic ones. They aren't expensive
and will soon pay for themselves at 5p a use. Plus they don't suddenly
tear when carrying heavy bottles.
Obviously in the era of conventional shopping bags you just have a
memory but you did not experience it or have a very bad memory.
In those days there where local Butchers, grocers, Bakers etc. as well
as the Grocer/Wet fish vans, that travelled the streets. These where
walk-able so popping out with your conventional bag to get the
provisions every day was not a problem and you could carry a couple of
bags home, all food in those days came in paper bags.
Unfortionatly Supermarkets came along and destroyed the local shops so
rather than pop out to the local shops you had to travel to a
supermarket, supermarkets only have one shop in a town so then you had
to buy a car to get to the Supermarket and transport your goods back
home, carrying 5 or 6 shopping bags on a bus is not the easy.
If you are not able to just pop out to a shop as and when but to have to
travel a few miles to the supermarket one would obviously try to get
enough to last several days rather than incur the expensive travelling
costs in your car.
Times move on and in the modern day life we have to shop the way we have
been conditioned to, I personally if I can carry the goods in my hands I
refuse a bag, if I can't carry them and are charged for a bag I would
probably just walk out, unless I am in Aldi of course.

Barry

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:34:54 -0000, NY wrote:

Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable?

Supermarket plastic bags are these days as well. You try using a
recent supermarket bag to store something in the cool dry and dark
for more than a year or two it will crumble to dust. Compare that
against a supermarket plastic bag from 20 years ago that'll be in the
same condition as it was when new.

I use those red/white or blue/white woven plastic "laundry" bags for
shopping (13w x 15h x 7"d). Much better than the tiddly pleated
bottom construction supermarket bags or most of the "bags for life".
These are proper "box" construction made from stiffish material that
stands up on it's own. Got half a dozen off ebay a good few years
back all are still going strong.

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Cheers
Dave.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
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In article , Corporal Jones
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On 19/12/2013 10:46, lid wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 06:00:57 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a
large
box in the basement and I put my bags in there. I use them for dog
****,
clinical waste, badly soiled laundry, bowls of food for freezing,
disposable nappies, collecting apples and tomatoes, all sorts of
things.
When they are banned I will have to buy bags. These will be made from
much thicker plastic so will cause more waste. I've made enquiries and
I
will be able to get bags for clinical waste from the NHS. This will
cost
me nothing but will cost the taxpayers a lot, because everyone will
get
onto it. The greenies are stupid ****s.

I think it is the duty of all right-thinking people to do all they can
to subvert and sabotage all greeny-influenced legislation. I go out of
my way to do this.

Whatever happened to conventional shopping bags? We have always used
them rather than the throw-away plastic ones.

Nothing happened to conventional shopping bags. We have half a dozen
that we take to the supermarket each time.

I think you are talking about carrier bags of some kind. Actual
"conventional shopping bags" are big things, usually of cloth and perhaps
leather handles. You would only expect to carry one.

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Max Demian

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 12:23:11 +0100, Martin wrote:


Only half agree. Without doubt, many (?most) people recycle their plastic
bags but I walk my dogs on a beach every morning and from Easter until the
autumn, the beach is littered with supermarket bags.

and dog crap too.

Also, when I'm
running along country lanes the hedgerows and ditches are clogged with
bags. Anything that can be done to lessen this blight gets my vote.

especially dog crap.

Yes, I'd rather step on a discarded plastic bag than dog crap.

Rod.

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large

ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet
for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs.

I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment.

Just because the greens are in favour of something does not automatically
make it wrong. There are way too many plastic bags and for that matter
disposable take away meal containers in the hedgerows.

It's wrong because it's irrelevant to the environment [1] and means you
have to carry a pocket of plastic bags around just in case you decide to
buy something on the spur of the moment.

[1] 0.27% of landfill: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/12709

"Plastic bags are an outward reflection of the ease with which people can
buy goods and take them home. People now have the disposable income to
enter a shop unexpectedly and buy a load of stuff, and plastic bags mean
they can rest assured they will have the means to carry their purchases.
How often do people returning home from work decide, on a whim, to make a
quick stop at Tesco Express to buy a few items of food? How frequently,
perhaps on a journey past Oxford Street, are we drawn into a sale by a
piece of attractive clobber? Such nonchalant consumption would be made
more difficult, perhaps more expensive, without shops' provision of handy,
free plastic bags."

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Max Demian


Bollix.
All you have to do is keep a proper bag or two in the car.
They should be charging £1 each for plastic bags.

"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2013-12-19, Martin Brown wrote:
On 19/12/2013 06:00, Bill Wright wrote:
It's time start saving your supermarket bags. From next October they
will be 5p each. This is because of the stupid greenies. I have a large

ITYM you don't like it because it conflicts with your "trash the planet
for fun and profit" paranoid right wingnut beliefs.

Actually, he's right, even if he is mad.

I think stupid right whingers are far more dangerous to the environment.

Just because the greens are in favour of something does not
automatically make it wrong.

So, you're a hypocrite, too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dered-act.html


The DM is a good comic. Nearly as good as the DT.
A laugh on every page.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Surely these days most bags seem to just disintegrate in any case. I
thought this idea had fixed the problem. If they want to stop crap they
need to get real about getting rid of packaging that cannot have other
uses unlike bags.
That transparent hard see through stuff for a start, they said it could
not be done, but I notice Duracell have got rid of it, and others should
take note i feel.
Brian



They never totally disappear.
They eventually go into fine dust which ends up in the sea and is ingested
by marine creautres to their detriment.
http://www.pollutionissues.co.uk/imp...-bags-sea.html

"NY" wrote in message
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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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In Northern Ireland we have had the 5p levy on single-usecarrier bags
(paper as well as plastic) since April this year.

Why is there a levy on paper bags which are biodegradable? If the levy is
attempt to reduce the use of plastic bags because they are not
biodegradable, then why are supermarkets not encouraged to supply
alternative paper single-use bags which do not suffer from the problem?

I resent having to carry a bulky bag-for-life with me on the off-chance
that I might want to buy something. Too much of modern life requires you
to plan ahead (bag for life, buying railway tickets in advance to get best
fare, etc) instead of allowing you to be impulsive and spur-of-the-moment.

We always re-use supermarket carriers for lining rubbish bins (eg in the
kitchen, one for general landfill rubbish like packaging, and another for
food waste and vegetable peelings that can be composted) as a free
alternative to buying a roll of bin bags. Once the levy is introduced,
quite apart from having to buy a large number of bags for life, to
accommodate everything that we buy at one go, we'll have to spend even
more money buying rolls of binliner bags that we used to get for free as
single-use carrier bags.

And all because some plebs can't be arsed to throw away their carrier bags
in the bin after using them.


Impulsive/random is always bad.
You should consider all purchases before buying.
Unless of course it is something you use being sold off cheap.

On 19/12/2013 14:08, alan wrote:
On 19/12/2013 07:41, harryagain wrote:

Why don'tyou take a proper bag to the supermarket when shopping or
don't you
have the foresight?

I keep around 6 laundry bags (each approx 2x carrier bag capacity) in
the back of the car and use them 4/5 years before they have to be
chucked away. 95% of my supermarket shopping is transported in these bags.
Example - smallest size in link
http://tinyurl.com/ptufj8m


Supermarket bags are quite unsuitable for most of the uses you put
them to
anyway.

I do recycle all supermarket bags that I do get in the same way as Bill
does.

From what I've read, in countries that have introduced charging the
usage has gone down but sales of other plastic bags has risen. I doubt
if any less plastic goes to land fill.

If the greenies really want to save the planet let them campaign to make
all unsoliced snail junk mail illegal. I shred all the leaflets and
junk that comes through my letter box and compost it. I get a sackful of
paper per month (7 A4 sheets of glossy paper so far today and the
postman hasn't made a delivery yet).



We've all got used to Aldi and Lidl not handing out bags for free, and I
admire them for sticking to their guns (unlike the big supermarkets)

In article ,
lid says...

I noticed last time I was in Wales (Nov 2011) that there were far fewer
bags blowing around, (as you describe). I think they had had the 5p
charge imposed earlier that year ?


5p charge came in on 1/10/2011.

It's no big deal, thought we are slowly running through our stock of
"throw-away" bags which we use & re-use over & over.



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Sam