BBC Confirmation of new HD services

Woody wrote:

Have you also noticed Bill that more and more of Look North is
coming from parts of North Yorkshire where viewers cannot and
never have been able to receive Leeds - places like Whitby,
Hawes, etc.

Yes I have.


Could it have anything to do with the fact that a
significant number of the presenters live in York?

Harry Gration was in the York Tap the other day.

Bill

Mark Carver wrote:
On 10/12/2013 07:23, David wrote:
Freesat 212 showing a slide saying it is on from 08:30 am. with BBC News.
Any idea why this is? Such a strange time to me.

08:30 is when News 24 cuts away from simulcasting the fluff that is BBC
1 Breakfast,

Is it bum fluff, face fluff, or belly button fluff?

Bill

Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:48:32 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

[...] and the fact that T2
doesn't actually need so much signal anyway you should be OK -
especially as it seems to work off Bilsdale (who wants to watch
Geordie telly anyway?!!)

Geordie? Teesside isn't Geordie, and Bilsdale is south of there.

Rod.

Let's not split hairs. From top to bottom it's Scots, Geordies, us,
southerners, wogs.

Bill

On 10.12.2013 08:32, Mark Carver wrote:
On 10/12/2013 06:13, Stephen wrote:

And where can I find out the actual power on Mux 7 at Crystal Palace
(Channel 33)?

In true obscurification mode, you need to go he-

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/

Enter your postcode and house number, and tick the 'Detailed View' box

Then hover over the channel number of Mux 7 CP, and it will reveal
the Tx mode and ERP. Last time I looked it was 36.3 kW

I found it easier to look at the Freeview HD tables sorted by ITV
regions and main transmitters at
http://www.a516digital.com/2013/09/f...equencies.html
.. They appear to have been updated between 9 and 11 November.

Uli

On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:18:43 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:


Posted this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/CBBC-HD-CBeebies-HD-BBC-Three-HD-BBC-Four-HD-and-BBC-News-HD-to-launch-on-Tuesday-10-December-2013



Mux 7 on Oxford is low powered, only 5,800W compared to other muxs
which range 10,000W,50,000W, and 100,000W

Sandy Heath Mux 7 is 8,400W with others at 170,000W and 180,000W

So the coverage from the new mux 7 is not going to reach everybody.

At the moment am on OXF, I am about halfway between the 2 transmitters
but, I get no signal on mux 7 from OXF- will have to turn aerial to
Sandy and see.


They did not make any announcement that the signals would be much
lower powered to the public as far as I have seen.

Bob L wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:18:43 +0000, Mark Carver wrote:

Posted this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/CBBC-HD-CBeebies-HD-BBC-Three-HD-BBC-Four-HD-and-BBC-News-HD-to-launch-on-Tuesday-10-December-2013



Mux 7 on Oxford is low powered, only 5,800W compared to other muxs
which range 10,000W,50,000W, and 100,000W

Out of date info, all the Mux 7 powers are higher than originally specified,
see this site (using data from the DUK postcode checker) Of

http://www.a516digital.com/2013/09/f...equencies.html

(Oxford will be 17.4kW)

So the coverage from the new mux 7 is not going to reach everybody.

However, yes that's still true

At the moment am on OXF, I am about halfway between the 2 transmitters
but, I get no signal on mux 7 from OXF- will have to turn aerial to
Sandy and see.

Oxford's not on the air yet, due next year (along with 19 other sites)

They did not make any announcement that the signals would be much
lower powered to the public as far as I have seen.

They've not really published any proper details yet

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In article , wrote:
On 10 Dec, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Roderick
Stewart writes
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:48:32 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

[...] and the fact that T2 doesn't actually need so much signal
anyway you should be OK - especially as it seems to work off Bilsdale
(who wants to watch Geordie telly anyway?!!)

Geordie? Teesside isn't Geordie, and Bilsdale is south of there.

Yebbut..... Bilsdale, Pontop Pike and Chatton (and their relays) all
carry the same BBC NE and Cumbria programming. While the local news
from York is undoubtedly very interesting, it's of little importance
to people some of whom are up to 150 miles away.

Bilsdale was intended to fill the gap on Teesside/Co.Durham and
Hartlepool. Also the Northern Yorkshire Dales. Not York or Harrogate.
It's th luvvies who want to extend the remit of their areas.

When the uhf services were planned, England was treated as a whole. No
precious frequencies were allocated for regional services, which in the BBC
case amounted to 5 news bulletins and one regional programme about half an
hour long - less than 3 hours a week!

unfortunately, hills which upset tv reception don't nrecessarily repect
man-made regional boundaries, which is why some people in Harrogate have to
watch Bilsdale.

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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:17:14 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:


When the uhf services were planned, England was treated as a whole. No
precious frequencies were allocated for regional services, which in the BBC
case amounted to 5 news bulletins and one regional programme about half an
hour long - less than 3 hours a week!

unfortunately, hills which upset tv reception don't nrecessarily repect
man-made regional boundaries, which is why some people in Harrogate have to
watch Bilsdale.

And then we invented the internet, which makes it possible for anybody
to watch or listen to any radio or TV channel from anywhere. Maybe in
about 25 years time people will wonder how we managed for so long with
such an inefficient way of distributing information as to build tall
masts on the tops of hills and blast it into the air.

Rod.

In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:17:14 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:


When the uhf services were planned, England was treated as a whole. No
precious frequencies were allocated for regional services, which in the BBC
case amounted to 5 news bulletins and one regional programme about half an
hour long - less than 3 hours a week!

unfortunately, hills which upset tv reception don't nrecessarily repect
man-made regional boundaries, which is why some people in Harrogate have to
watch Bilsdale.

And then we invented the internet, which makes it possible for anybody
to watch or listen to any radio or TV channel from anywhere. Maybe in
about 25 years time people will wonder how we managed for so long with
such an inefficient way of distributing information as to build tall
masts on the tops of hills and blast it into the air.

except that "broadcasting" is an efficent ay of getting programmes to the
customers. If everybody had their own dedicated "line" to some master
computer that would be very inefficient.

Rod.

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In article , Martin
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:17:14 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

In article , wrote:
On 10 Dec, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Roderick
Stewart writes
On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:48:32 -0000, "Woody"
wrote:

[...] and the fact that T2 doesn't actually need so much signal
anyway you should be OK - especially as it seems to work off
Bilsdale (who wants to watch Geordie telly anyway?!!)

Geordie? Teesside isn't Geordie, and Bilsdale is south of there.

Yebbut..... Bilsdale, Pontop Pike and Chatton (and their relays) all
carry the same BBC NE and Cumbria programming. While the local news
from York is undoubtedly very interesting, it's of little importance
to people some of whom are up to 150 miles away.

Bilsdale was intended to fill the gap on Teesside/Co.Durham and
Hartlepool. Also the Northern Yorkshire Dales. Not York or Harrogate.
It's th luvvies who want to extend the remit of their areas.

When the uhf services were planned, England was treated as a whole. No
precious frequencies were allocated for regional services, which in the
BBC case amounted to 5 news bulletins and one regional programme about
half an hour long - less than 3 hours a week!

unfortunately, hills which upset tv reception don't nrecessarily repect
man-made regional boundaries, which is why some people in Harrogate have
to watch Bilsdale.

and why some in the Whitby area have no terrestrial TV since the Whitby
transmitter mast was moved.

there have been other, less publicised, moves with similar results

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