OT helicopter crash

Bill Findlay wrote:

And without wishing to seem callous I dare say 'chaos' is often a factor
outside Glasweigan pubs at half ten on a Friday night.

Do you wish to seem ignorant? Because that is what you are.


Am I completely mistaken then? Are the pavements outside Glasgow pubs
late on Friday nights always calm and peaceful? Do the good citizens go
about their business in good order? Are fights and vomit completely
unheard of?

Bill

On 03/12/2013 20:07, in article , "Bill
Wright" wrote:

Bill Findlay wrote:

And without wishing to seem callous I dare say 'chaos' is often a factor
outside Glasweigan pubs at half ten on a Friday night.

Do you wish to seem ignorant? Because that is what you are.


Am I completely mistaken then? Are the pavements outside Glasgow pubs
late on Friday nights always calm and peaceful? Do the good citizens go
about their business in good order? Are fights and vomit completely
unheard of?

You certainly seem to be ignorant of the the differecne between "often" and
"completely unheard of".

--
Bill Findlay
with blueyonder.co.uk;
use surname & forename;

Bill Findlay wrote:
On 03/12/2013 20:07, in article , "Bill
Wright" wrote:

Bill Findlay wrote:

And without wishing to seem callous I dare say 'chaos' is often a factor
outside Glasweigan pubs at half ten on a Friday night.
Do you wish to seem ignorant? Because that is what you are.

Am I completely mistaken then? Are the pavements outside Glasgow pubs
late on Friday nights always calm and peaceful? Do the good citizens go
about their business in good order? Are fights and vomit completely
unheard of?

You certainly seem to be ignorant of the the differecne between "often" and
"completely unheard of".


So as I understand it from you scenes of disarray are extremely rare in
Glasgow, outside pubs, on Saturday nights? That surprises me. Things
must have changed a great deal since I was last there.

Bill

On 03/12/2013 23:24, in article , "Bill
Wright" wrote:

Bill Findlay wrote:
On 03/12/2013 20:07, in article , "Bill
Wright" wrote:

Bill Findlay wrote:

And without wishing to seem callous I dare say 'chaos' is often a factor
outside Glasweigan pubs at half ten on a Friday night.
Do you wish to seem ignorant? Because that is what you are.

Am I completely mistaken then? Are the pavements outside Glasgow pubs
late on Friday nights always calm and peaceful? Do the good citizens go
about their business in good order? Are fights and vomit completely
unheard of?

You certainly seem to be ignorant of the the differecne between "often" and
"completely unheard of".


So as I understand it from you scenes of disarray are extremely rare in
Glasgow, outside pubs, on Saturday nights? That surprises me. Things
must have changed a great deal since I was last there.

You are just not very good at that "understanding" thing, are you Bill?

--
Bill Findlay
with blueyonder.co.uk;
use surname & forename;

Bill Findlay wrote:

You are just not very good at that "understanding" thing, are you Bill?


Yes. Many people have said I'm very understanding.

Bill

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:42:08 +0000, Mark Carver
wrote:

On 03/12/2013 11:23, charles wrote:
In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
On 02/12/2013 22:34, Peter Duncanson wrote:

It's not the tiles and slates, it would be the wooden inverted-V roof
timbers that would absorb some of the energy before the falling object
hit the ceiling below.

I'm not suggesting that a pitched roof would work miracles, just that it
would help to slow the falling object.

The chopper *might* have bounced/rolled off a pitched roof, and landed
in the street. Whether that would have resulted in fewer casualties is
down to chaos theory.

It must have come down very hard if the 3 occupants died.

Well someone calculated that if free fall from 100 ft, about 60 mph ?

That was me. I assumed a height of 120 feet for the calculation based
on one eywitness's estimate of 100 feet of altitude when it started
tumbling out of the sky.


We don't know whether it went straight through the roof, or whether
that happened seconds later. If you assume the latter, the deceleration
from 60 to 0 in virtually zero time is enough to rip your organs apart ?

I got the impression that it hit whilst close to being in a 'normal
attitude' (i.e. the right way up) which is probably the worst attitude
(apart from being totally 'inverted') as far as any occupants are
concerend in such an impact.

They might well have survived if it had hit 'tail '' first since the
tail boom would have acted as a crumple zone and concentrated the
impact stress on the roof structure to cause it to immediatelt give
way and further reduce the deceleration forces applied to the
occupants via the backs of their seats.

Smacking into the roof in a nominally normal attitude would have
maximised the deceleration force of the impact and, worse still, the
forces would have been transmitted through the occupants' spinal
columns which, I imagine _would_ be more than sufficient to "rip your
organs apart".

The reports suggested that the roof resisted the initial impact
before collapsing a matter of seconds later which does rather suggest
the helicopter 'smacked' into the roof with its length parallel to the
roof spreading the initial impact force over a large enough area to
allow the roof structure to resist immediate collapse but, in so
doing, maximise the deceleration of the helicopter's impact.

This, of course, is merely my speculation based on news reportage of
the event. We're not going to get a more accurate assesment of the
actual sequence of events of this accident until the accident
investigation process is completed and its results published.
--
Regards, J B Good