More crap from the BBC

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Woody
wrote:

BBC4HD is coming with the new muxes - if you can receive them.....

Why do I have the feeling that DVB-T2 BBC4HD may arrive here somewhat
later
than in London?


Independence?
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JohnT

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Norman Wells

wrote:


Straw man. I never said they shouldn't be paid. However the media
industry has a lot of money to lobby the government. This is why the
law generally favours the media business.

The laws on copyright have been much the same for a long time. In what
respects do you think they have changed to favour the media business?


IIRC They recently extended the copyright period on recordings of works.

EMI were (before their demise) particularly anxious about this as they saw
their Beatles material approach the old expiry interval.

But then EMI expired anyway. Testament to the skills of the suits...


EMI didn't expire. The Company was the subject of a lot of litigation but
eventually it was broken up and various parts of it were sold very
profitably. By the suits!


--
JohnT

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:18:03 +0100, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Woody
wrote:

BBC4HD is coming with the new muxes - if you can receive them.....

Why do I have the feeling that DVB-T2 BBC4HD may arrive here somewhat
later
than in London?


Independence?


No, I don't think that's the reason. I think it's got more to do with
the fact that Scotland has been last in line for just about every
innovation brought in by the BBC over the last 50 + years.

VHF radio (as it was then known)
Stereo VHF radio
BBC 2
BBC 2 colour
BBC 1 colour
Nicam

no doubt there are others.

In article , Norman Wells
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Norman Wells
wrote:

Straw man. I never said they shouldn't be paid. However the media
industry has a lot of money to lobby the government. This is why
the law generally favours the media business.

The laws on copyright have been much the same for a long time. In
what respects do you think they have changed to favour the media
business?

IIRC They recently extended the copyright period on recordings of
works.

EMI were (before their demise) particularly anxious about this as they
saw their Beatles material approach the old expiry interval.

But then EMI expired anyway. Testament to the skills of the suits...

They extended the terms of _all_ copyrights internationally to harmonise
laws and accord with the Berne Convention. It wasn't just to give
Cliff's estate even longer to profit from Summer Holiday.

Indeed. It was to ensure that companies like EMI would be able to go on
milking old recordings. They did use "payments to artists" as cover. Neatly
overlooking how many were paid a fixed fee so will gain nothing.

It also let them continue to keep 'competing versions' buried in their
vaults, denying some musicians an income from (and recognition for) their
work because the company wanted to just have one other version on sale for
their own convenience.

Jim

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In article , John J
Armstrong
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:18:03 +0100, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Woody
wrote:

BBC4HD is coming with the new muxes - if you can receive them.....

Why do I have the feeling that DVB-T2 BBC4HD may arrive here somewhat
later than in London?


Independence?


No, I don't think that's the reason. I think it's got more to do with
the fact that Scotland has been last in line for just about every
innovation brought in by the BBC over the last 50 + years.

VHF radio (as it was then known) Stereo VHF radio BBC 2 BBC 2 colour BBC
1 colour Nicam

no doubt there are others.

Always interesting to see that new projects to "help the regions" like HS2
often seem to start in London and slowly extend away from it.

As they say in Glasgow, "Aye, that'll be right!" :-)

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:54:11 +0100, John J Armstrong
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:18:03 +0100, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Woody
wrote:

BBC4HD is coming with the new muxes - if you can receive them.....

Why do I have the feeling that DVB-T2 BBC4HD may arrive here somewhat
later
than in London?


Independence?


No, I don't think that's the reason. I think it's got more to do with
the fact that Scotland has been last in line for just about every
innovation brought in by the BBC over the last 50 + years.


You don't suppose they're _still_ annoyed with John Logie Baird after
all this time? That'd be one hell of a grudge (JLB has been dead for
just over 67 years now)!
--
Regards, J B Good

[snip]
Always interesting to see that new projects to "help the
regions" like HS2
often seem to start in London and slowly extend away from it.



Talking of HS2....

Just come back from France where they are extending the TGV line
from Tours to Bordeaux. As far as I can find work started in 2011
and the placards around Bordeaux say it will be finished in
Autumn 2016. I make that 5 years

How come then it will take at least twice that to build a
considerably shorter track between London and Manchester or
Leeds?

Mind you there were also loads of placards around Bordeaux saying

"Les TGV vandals sont ici" ("The TGV vandals are here" for those
of a non-linguistic bent.)


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 14:56:00 +0100, "Woody"
wrote:

[snip]
Always interesting to see that new projects to "help the
regions" like HS2
often seem to start in London and slowly extend away from it.



Talking of HS2....

Just come back from France where they are extending the TGV line
from Tours to Bordeaux. As far as I can find work started in 2011
and the placards around Bordeaux say it will be finished in
Autumn 2016. I make that 5 years

How come then it will take at least twice that to build a
considerably shorter track between London and Manchester or
Leeds?

The length of the track is not the only thing determining the amount of
construction work that needs to be done. When a new long-distance
railway (or road) is built it will be crossing land that already has
roads and railways on it. Every crossing of an existing road/railway
needs a new bridge, tunnel or whatever and the related approach
roads/tracks.


Mind you there were also loads of placards around Bordeaux saying

"Les TGV vandals sont ici" ("The TGV vandals are here" for those
of a non-linguistic bent.)

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 14:56:00 +0100, "Woody"
wrote:

[snip]
Always interesting to see that new projects to "help the
regions" like HS2
often seem to start in London and slowly extend away from it.



Talking of HS2....

Just come back from France where they are extending the TGV line
from Tours to Bordeaux. As far as I can find work started in 2011
and the placards around Bordeaux say it will be finished in
Autumn 2016. I make that 5 years

How come then it will take at least twice that to build a
considerably shorter track between London and Manchester or
Leeds?

The length of the track is not the only thing determining the amount of
construction work that needs to be done. When a new long-distance
railway (or road) is built it will be crossing land that already has
roads and railways on it. Every crossing of an existing road/railway
needs a new bridge, tunnel or whatever and the related approach
roads/tracks.

What generally takes the time in the UK is getting Planning Permission.
That's why the M4 took forever to complete.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 12/10/2013 15:42, charles wrote:
In article ,
Peter Duncanson wrote:

The length of the track is not the only thing determining the amount of
construction work that needs to be done.

What generally takes the time in the UK is getting Planning Permission.
That's why the M4 took forever to complete.

You mean it's finished? You could have fooled me!
--
Phil Cook