Margaret Thatcher

In article , Rick
scribeth thus


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Andy Champ wrote:
On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines?

Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur
Scargill...

Andy
Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I
remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s.


No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves
to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important
as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years
before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that
the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country
was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson
and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned
around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in
need of some really strong leadership.




Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...
--
Tony Sayer

In article , Rick
scribeth thus


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Andy Champ wrote:
On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines?

Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur
Scargill...

Andy
Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I
remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s.


No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves
to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important
as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years
before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that
the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country
was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson
and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned
around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in
need of some really strong leadership.




Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...

The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979.
Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box
which still impacts the Conservative Party today.

What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise -
the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah
boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored.

Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income
families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial
society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in
Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home.

Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to
again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the
state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines,
shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new
businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and
insurance sector.

The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the
City.
"Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY

the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head.

"There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher

If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out &
nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs
are still at liberty?

Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out
canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are
you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?"
The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered
off and formed UKIP.
That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to
haunt this country.

No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow themselves
to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as important
as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years
before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget that
the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this country
was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson
and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain burned
around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in
need of some really strong leadership.




Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...

The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979.
Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box
which still impacts the Conservative Party today.

It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a lot
of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So they voted
for her and again and again...

Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country
thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that the
yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki but it
was the right thing to do at -that- time...



What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise -
the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah
boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored.

Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income
families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial
society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in
Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home.


I never thought I'd be able to buy my home back in 1978 but I did, and
have moved along that scale quite a bit since then. Odd as it is my
guvnor at that time never thought he'd be able to buy a home when he was
younger .. but he did.

My dad never ever thought he'd be able to buy his home but she made it
possible for him but he didn't anyway. I bought it for him instead!..

Just hard committed work did that in each case..

Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to
again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the
state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines,
shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new
businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and
insurance sector.

The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the
City.
"Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY

the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head.

"There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher

If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out &
nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs
are still at liberty?

How come labour hasn't put that right in the Blair brown years then?..

Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out
canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are
you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?"

It will have all blown over then as it has since she left power back in
1990. Its only been thought about since Monday. By next week it will be
off the news screens..

The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered
off and formed UKIP.
That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to
haunt this country.


So what if the UKIP is there?. Its a political party, anyone can form
one, left right centre up or sideways..

Lets bear in mind that such as my old dad and his spitfire risked a lot
for democracy in the first instance...

Ands the electorate voted that way at that time as was their wish..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow
themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on
anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a
three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on
the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she
ever became prime minister was because this country was on the
brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and
Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain
burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was
desperately in need of some really strong leadership.

Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...

The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in
1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a
Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today.

It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a
lot of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So
they voted for her and again and again...

Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country
thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that
the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki
but it was the right thing to do at -that- time...

What a bizarre analogy!
I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries
at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union,
and anti-nationalisation.

Steve Terry
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In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow
themselves to be put into a position of being held to ransom on
anything as important as energy supply (remember Britain was on a
three day working week years before Margaret Thatcher arrived on
the scene) people seem to forget that the only reason that she
ever became prime minister was because this country was on the
brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all Wilson and
Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain
burned around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was
desperately in need of some really strong leadership.

Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...

The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in
1979. Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a
Pandora's box which still impacts the Conservative Party today.

It was a vote for the Tory party else why would it have happened?, a
lot of the UK wasn't that pleased with that what was going on. So
they voted for her and again and again...

Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country
thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that
the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki
but it was the right thing to do at -that- time...

What a bizarre analogy!

Yes it may seem so but its stark enough to demonstrate that it was at
-that- time in history which was the relevant point Steve...


I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries
at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union,
and anti-nationalisation.

I'm sure they had/have their fair share in one way or the other...

Steve Terry

--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
says...
"Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY

the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head.


Or was it the script writer ...?

That pair do seem to move around together a fair bit ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlNZ3SIPbo

--

Terry

Martin wrote:
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:00:21 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

tony sayer wrote:
snip
Remember these were differing times to now, it was what the country
thought right -then- at that time. A lot will say in retrospect that
the yanks should have never bombed Hiroshima or worse still Nagasaki
but it was the right thing to do at -that- time...

What a bizarre analogy!
I think a better comparison is what was going on in other countries
at the time, and how they progressed without the dogma of anti-union,
and anti-nationalisation.

In Germany and The Netherlands industry and unions work together
instead of having confrontations. Everybody gains.

Honda turned around Rover Longbridge in under 5 years, a place the
Thatcherites called a hot bed of union troublemakers.

It takes two to fight, Thatcherites forget about incompetent confrontational
UK management.

Steve Terry
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On 10/04/2013 17:06, alanp wrote:
In article , Rick
scribeth thus


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Andy Champ wrote:
On 09/04/2013 10:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Oh - wait a minute - who closed all the coal mines?

Well, since you mention it - I think it was mostly down to Arthur
Scargill...

Andy
Well yes. And coal mines have been closing since coal mining begun. I
remember the Durham mines closing in the 1960s.


No government, of any political persuasion, will ever again allow
themselves
to be put into a position of being held to ransom on anything as
important
as energy supply (remember Britain was on a three day working week years
before Margaret Thatcher arrived on the scene) people seem to forget
that
the only reason that she ever became prime minister was because this
country
was on the brink of total anarchy and metaphorically speaking, all
Wilson
and Callaghan ever did was to stand around fiddling whilst Britain
burned
around them, a big mistake at a time when the country was desperately in
need of some really strong leadership.




Yep, thats one of the reasons why she was -voted- into power...

The female vote was significant when she was first elected PM in 1979.
Although it was not apparent at the time, this opened a Pandora's box
which still impacts the Conservative Party today.

What people appear to be overlooking in the aftermath of her demise -
the news coverage has concentrated on the polar opposites shouting yah
boo sucks at each other, the middle ground has been ignored.

Floating voters in marginal seats - specifically those of middle income
families whose ( graduate ) children now live in a post-industrial
society, perhaps unemployed since graduating - maybe shelf-stacking in
Asda, with little or no hope of being to afford to buy their own home.

Thatcher's vision, smash the trade unions to allow market forces to
again hold sway in our economy, counter the uncompetitiveness of the
state enterprises by taking a bulldozer to steel works, coal mines,
shipyards - in the hope that the slack would be taken up by new
businesses set up by budding entrepreneurs, and the banking and
insurance sector.

The last bit was a howling success for a time - post "Big Bang" in the
City.
"Greed is good, greed works" - Gordon Gecko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nA2szz8dY

the Irish guy above hits the nail right on the head.

"There is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher


A partial quote, taken out of context and used by people who have no
idea what she really said.
http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/there-is-...ing-as-society

In a similar vein, Norman Tebbit didn't say "Get on your bikes", nor did
JFK say that he was a Berliner.


If she's right on that, then how come our money was used to bail out &
nationalise the bankrupt banks, and how come the chairmen & chief execs
are still at liberty?

Returning to the floating voters, I can see Conservative candidates out
canvassing in the run up to the next general election being asked "Are
you now or have you ever been a Thatcherite?"
The anti-Europe wing of the Conservative Party has already splintered
off and formed UKIP.
That is Thatcher's legacy - even in death her spectre continues to haunt
this country.




--
Peter