"Secret of Crickley Hall": subtitles for the deaf on BBC!HD?!

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

Perhaps there is something wrong with your equipment. I regularly
watch BBC programs with subtitles, and there are no such general
delays.

Of course subtitles on live news programs are delayed (and often wrong).

-- Richard

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:39:22 +0000, Ian wrote:

Did you by any chance pause it as it started, to pour tea, go for a pee
etc.?

That causes the subs to appear on that box.

No, but we were actually watching a recording of the program as it was
being recorded, about 2-3 mins behind it.
(Something else we were watching didn't quite finish by 9pm.)

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:45:18 +0000, I wrote:

The question is, why were they there on Foxsat HD?

One interesting thing I found was that the Foxsat HDR 500GB had
had a s/w update dated 27/7/12, which must have added an extra option
into 'Languages':

Under Preffered language, Subtitle Display, and Subtitle Font there
is now a 4th:
/Audio Description/

that is not in the user manual. Furthermore it was showing 'Disable',
which I assume is Humax-speak for 'Enabled', so have toggled that to
'Enable', in the hope of avoiiding any further trouble.
I infer from that that the update - when adding the extenson - had
set it enabled as default.

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In message , Richard Tobin
writes
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

Perhaps there is something wrong with your equipment. I regularly
watch BBC programs with subtitles, and there are no such general
delays.

I doubt if it's at my end. Every telly/STB in the house does the same.
Satellite reception of the same BBC programmes is the same. My wife
relies on the subtitles, and it drives her mad.

Of course subtitles on live news programs are delayed (and often wrong).

They could minimise the problems of the delay by always delaying the
live material by (say) 20 seconds, so that the text appears at more like
the correct time (even if they are often wrong). You know it makes
sense.
--
Ian

This is I understand the same problem as the AD gradually getting out of
sync until the sound ducks to silence and you never hear the talk unless you
reselect the ad.
Its not just the beeb.
I dispair at the lack of quality control of this stuff.
It would be interesting to see if subtitles on the I player are in the
right place, as AD seems to be presumably because its hard coded on the
stream.

Brian

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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Maurice
Batey writes
Watching "The Secret of Crickley Hall" last night in BBC1HD, we were
puzzled to see multi-coloured 'audio interpretation' English subtitles
appearing, presumably for the hard of hearing
This was via a Humax Foxsat HDR.
I had made no conscious attempt to change any options on the Humax.

After a while I changed the input to the TV's Freeview SD channel:
No subtitles.

Anyone else see them, and/or explain why they might have appeared?

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

If they were not there when you watched the programme, there's always a
chance that they will arrive eventually. You probably just have to wait
long enough.
--
Ian

On 20/11/2012 11:08, Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

Perhaps there is something wrong with your equipment. I regularly
watch BBC programs with subtitles, and there are no such general
delays.

Of course subtitles on live news programs are delayed (and often wrong).

-- Richard



and entertaining....

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Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Maurice
Batey writes
Watching "The Secret of Crickley Hall" last night in BBC1HD, we were
puzzled to see multi-coloured 'audio interpretation' English subtitles
appearing, presumably for the hard of hearing
This was via a Humax Foxsat HDR.
I had made no conscious attempt to change any options on the Humax.

After a while I changed the input to the TV's Freeview SD channel:
No subtitles.

Anyone else see them, and/or explain why they might have appeared?

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

Hm!

Wrt this fault I have always found the beeb to be better than the commercial
channels, some of which the subs are completely unusable because of the
delay.

And don't get me started on the appallingly lazy use of "live" subtitling on
progs that aren't live (Channel 4 - yes I do mean you!).

tim

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:07:53 -0000, "tim....."
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Maurice
Batey writes
Watching "The Secret of Crickley Hall" last night in BBC1HD, we were
puzzled to see multi-coloured 'audio interpretation' English subtitles
appearing, presumably for the hard of hearing
This was via a Humax Foxsat HDR.
I had made no conscious attempt to change any options on the Humax.

After a while I changed the input to the TV's Freeview SD channel:
No subtitles.

Anyone else see them, and/or explain why they might have appeared?

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds behind
the speech.

Hm!

Wrt this fault I have always found the beeb to be better than the
commercial
channels, some of which the subs are completely unusable because of the
delay.

And don't get me started on the appallingly lazy use of "live" subtitling
on
progs that aren't live (Channel 4 - yes I do mean you!).

The BBC does it too.

obviously not on the programs that I watch

tim

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:26:08 -0000, "tim....."
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"Martin" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:07:53 -0000, "tim....."
wrote:


"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Maurice
Batey writes
Watching "The Secret of Crickley Hall" last night in BBC1HD, we were
puzzled to see multi-coloured 'audio interpretation' English subtitles
appearing, presumably for the hard of hearing
This was via a Humax Foxsat HDR.
I had made no conscious attempt to change any options on the Humax.

After a while I changed the input to the TV's Freeview SD channel:
No subtitles.

Anyone else see them, and/or explain why they might have appeared?

The BBC's subtitles are a disgrace/hopeless/useless. Even on recorded
programmes, they are always displayed (at best) around 20 seconds
behind
the speech.

Hm!

Wrt this fault I have always found the beeb to be better than the
commercial
channels, some of which the subs are completely unusable because of the
delay.

And don't get me started on the appallingly lazy use of "live"
subtitling
on
progs that aren't live (Channel 4 - yes I do mean you!).

The BBC does it too.

obviously not on the programs that I watch

Obviously you don't watch every programme and neither do I.
I haven't seen it happen on Channel 4,

Used to be endemic on their property programs

They seem to have stopped that now

tim