BBC4 bitrate and the Lumpits

Mortimer wrote:

Scary that they are proposing to allow 4G to interfere with broadcast TV,
when they've taken so much care up to now to avoid DTTV interfering with
analogue or with other DTTV from neighbouring regions.

Why did they not combine DSO with reducing the sixe of the spectrum, so as
to allow a clear demarcation between broadcast TV and 4G, instead of
interleaving the two?

AIUI the original post-DSO frequency plan has been trumped by an
international conference earlier this year which mandated clearing the HF
end of the band for mobile telephony. Hence the need for yet more frequency
changes.
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Dave

In article ,
says...

The problem with satellite is that one dish can't feed many receivers
because some of the receiving technology is at the dish end.


Rubbish!

I might never have touched a dish in my life but at least I know that
much!

You need a quattro (as opposed to quad) LNB connected to a Multiswitch.

--

Terry

In article , JohnT
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
I'm wondering just how much effect the Lumpits is going to have on the
quality, etc, of what the rest of the BBC output will be like.

Last night I noticed that:

1) That the 'Parliament' channel seems to be 'off' for the duration of
the Lumpits. Presumably the BBC feel that people running around a
field is more important than being able to scrutinise what our Lords
and Masters are up to...

The House of Commons is in recess. The House will next sit on 3rd
September. The House of Lords is in recess. The House will next sit on
8th October. The "running round a field" doesn't start until 3rd August
and finishes on 12th August.

However the 'Parliament' channel isn't confined to only conveying the
Westminster Parliament.


2) That the Prom broadcast on BBC4 (Freeview) has a rather less
detailed picture that usual. Despite being a part of the much heralded
'event' of Barenboim conducting the entire set of Beethoven symphonies.

Surely the audio is of more importance to you than the picture.

Correct. But the point of having the event on TV is to be able to see it
(with reasonably clarity) as well as hear it. TBH given that my eyesight is
poor I suspect the fact that the picture looked bad to me means it fell to
a low standard.

If this is not the case, then I am sure that you are aware that several
of the Promenade Concerts are shown live or repeated on BBC HD or BBC 1
HD. The Last Night will also be shown in 3D.

Exciting as that may be for some, I'm actually happy enough with the Radio
Three 320k iPlayer stream. And listened to the Prom that way when live. But
being able to see the instrumental fingering, etc, is good - when visible
on TV.

And the Proms are very much a minority interest in televisual terms.
Many more people will be interested in the womens' beach volleyball.

I guess that is why so many BBC channels look to be Lumpits-only. Yes I can
appreciate that many will find the beach volleyball an intellectual feast.
Pretty much sums up sport on TV - watching people run around in their
underwear. ;-

Strange though, that a major BBC event like the Proms, when featuring a
international musical event in the Barenboim Beethoven cycle should treat
it as being of so little worth. Still, maybe those viewing it abroad might
get a much better view than mere members of the UK public who should be
grateful from every crumb provided by Freeview.

Perhaps we should have asked the BBC to provide the Proms as a sound track
for the Lumpits. They could then have stamped their 'brand' on it more
clearly. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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On 27/07/2012 12:02, Dave wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

I don't have a way to check the actual bitrate for Freeview stations.
Anyone know what the rate was during the Prom last night? And how it
compares to the normal pre-Lumpits?

Bit of a rant on the subject at

http://www.bsaoc.com/Freeview_News_C...eview_News.txt



glad i use satellite - even if that could be better than it is, it seems
far better than terrestrial.

--
Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

Mortimer wrote:

The problem with satellite is that one dish can't feed many receivers
because some of the receiving technology is at the dish end.

What's the point of posting if you don't know what you're on about?

Bill

Jim Lesurf wrote:

The problem there is that some of us rely on sources like 'Radio Times'

Print media, in the opinion of those who run broadcasting, is dead. It's
what grandad used to read before he cut in into squares and hung it on
the nail in a lavatory.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:

The problem there is that some of us rely on sources like 'Radio
Times'

Print media, in the opinion of those who run broadcasting, is dead.

They probably do, if we judge on their behaviour. However it seems weird if
the people who work at Radio Times also think so...

TBH my main reason for buying RT is to let me note what items I want to
listen to on the radio. These days, mainly via the iPlayer. But since they
devote the bulk of the space in its pages to TV you'd think they might want
to avoid errors in the listings.

A trivial example is that last night's Prom on BBC4 was listed in bold type
as 'live'. But it was a recording of a Prom from earlier in the week.

Maybe they were confused because the last Prom in the Beethoven cycle was
yesterday.

Reverting to the Lumpits... The real curio yesterday is that the timing of
the Barenboim Beethoven cycle looks very much like it was timed as a lead
up to the Lumpics. The 9th Symphony being performed just before the
official opening ceremony of the Lumpits. There has been a lot of posturing
about 'cultural Lumpits' events to try and pretend it is more than a
beanfeast for the benefit of the commercial sponsors.

Maybe BBC4 thought they'd be allowed decent bitrates for it by linking it
into the Lumpits. But since the players weren't wearing numbered vests and
spiked shoes I guess that was a false start. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 02:38:31 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

Jim Lesurf wrote:

The problem there is that some of us rely on sources like 'Radio Times'

Print media, in the opinion of those who run broadcasting, is dead. It's
what grandad used to read before he cut in into squares and hung it on
the nail in a lavatory.

Broadcast media, in the opinion of those who run the phone and internet
companies, is dead.
I doubt you'd want to wipe your arse on it though.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 02:33:12 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:

The problem with satellite is that one dish can't feed many receivers
because some of the receiving technology is at the dish end.

What's the point of posting if you don't know what you're on about?

When has that ever stopped anybody?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:43:13 +0100, "Mortimer" wrote:

The problem with satellite is that one dish can't feed many receivers
because some of the receiving technology is at the dish end.

One dish with a quad or quattro LNB can be used to feed an unlimited
number of receivers via a multiswitch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiswitch

....
....
Multiswitches are commonly installed on or in blocks of flats in the
UK to allow all the residents to receive satellite TV without having
to have a separate dish for every resident.

I live in a house. I have one dish with a 4-feed LNB. At the moment I
have 2 Freesat recorders and one Freesat STB. They use 5 of the outputs
from my 8-output multiswitch which leaves 3 spare outputs.

This is one seller of such boxes:
http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/multiswitch.htm



Can you get USB
FreeSat decoders (like USB DVB decoders) for Windows Media Centre to allow
programmes to be recorded on PC so they can be edited (top/tail,
commercials) and kept, rather than just being recorded on a Sky box of
limited capacity and with no scope for archiving or editing.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)