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On 16/07/2012 13:19, J G Miller wrote:
On Monday, July 16th, 2012, at 11:06:35h +0100, Roderick Stewart asked:

How can hearing foreign speech as babble reveal
anything at all about anybody's viewing habits?

Because if you think the language is babble, you will not
listen to 90 minutes of "babbling" will you?

That depends on whether or not the "babbling" is an irritation.

For what it's worth, I only know one language well enough to speak it,
but often watch foreign movies with subtitles.

Obviously because you do not consider foreign language speech
to be babble.

Statistics that are unrelated to real life are just a load of babble.

Are you implying that the statement of Silk and your statement
is not related to real life?

As someone who had to spend a childhood in a house where we could only
get TV from Wenvoe, I know all about babble interfering with the TV
schedule.

On 16/07/2012 13:16, J G Miller wrote:
On Monday, July 16th, 2012, at 10:37:02h +0100, Peter wrote:

I don't think that politics comes into it.

Silk wants to have laws to take children away from
their Cymraeg speaking parents.

If they chose to deliberately disadvantage them by denying them English,
then yes. If they choose to bring them up as bi-lingual children, even
if the predominant language spoken at home is Welsh, I have no problem
with that.

How is that not politics?

Children are already being taken away from their parents
because they are deemed obese.

Being fat and/or unable to speak English are barriers to success in
later life. So there are certainly parallels.

http://www.dailymail.co.UK/health/article-432045/Children-care-fat.html

Not just in the UKofGB&NI but in the State of Victoria as well.

http://au.news.yahoo.COM/nsw/latest/a/-/article/14208997/obese-kids-taken-from-parents-care/

It is just the start of the process to require parents to
get a breeding licence fromt the state,

Now there's an idea.

Silk wrote:
On 15/07/2012 14:41, Gareth Owen wrote:
The fault here is with you wife's employers. If they expect a
non-speaker to use Welsh they should be arrange lessons for her.


No, the fault lies with the morons who make the rules. Welsh deserves to
die with a bit of dignity.

All Welsh speakers can now also speak English - time to move on.

No wonder the Scots want their independence...

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

On 16/07/2012 17:11, David Kennedy wrote:
Silk wrote:
On 15/07/2012 14:41, Gareth Owen wrote:
The fault here is with you wife's employers. If they expect a
non-speaker to use Welsh they should be arrange lessons for her.


No, the fault lies with the morons who make the rules. Welsh deserves to
die with a bit of dignity.

All Welsh speakers can now also speak English - time to move on.

No wonder the Scots want their independence...




only a few do. - latest poll said 30%

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Gareth.
That fly.... Is your magic wand.

the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 16/07/2012 17:11, David Kennedy wrote:
Silk wrote:
On 15/07/2012 14:41, Gareth Owen wrote:
The fault here is with you wife's employers. If they expect a
non-speaker to use Welsh they should be arrange lessons for her.


No, the fault lies with the morons who make the rules. Welsh deserves to
die with a bit of dignity.

All Welsh speakers can now also speak English - time to move on.

No wonder the Scots want their independence...




only a few do. - latest poll said 30%


If they're reading this NG it'll rise considerably by the end of the
month...

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

David Kennedy wrote:
Silk wrote:
On 15/07/2012 14:41, Gareth Owen wrote:
The fault here is with you wife's employers. If they expect a
non-speaker to use Welsh they should be arrange lessons for her.


No, the fault lies with the morons who make the rules. Welsh deserves to
die with a bit of dignity.

All Welsh speakers can now also speak English - time to move on.

No wonder the Scots want their independence...


There will always be a certain element (usually the poorly educated) who
allow themselves to be seduced by petty nationalism. Fortunately for the
Scots, most of them understand that they are part of a united kingdom and
not under English occupation.

the dog from that film you saw wrote:
On 16/07/2012 17:11, David Kennedy wrote:
Silk wrote:
On 15/07/2012 14:41, Gareth Owen wrote:
The fault here is with you wife's employers. If they expect a
non-speaker to use Welsh they should be arrange lessons for her.


No, the fault lies with the morons who make the rules. Welsh deserves to
die with a bit of dignity.

All Welsh speakers can now also speak English - time to move on.

No wonder the Scots want their independence...




only a few do. - latest poll said 30%

I'm all for Scottish independence. Even if it's only so the English never
again have to suffer a Labour government.

On Monday, July 16th, 2012, at 17:41:10h +0000, Silk babbled:

Fortunately for the Scots, most of them understand that they are part
of a united kingdom and not under English occupation.

At weekends, do you dress up (when not doing Mussolin)
as Field Marshal George Wade

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Georgewade.jpg

and sing

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May, by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush
And, like a torrent, rush
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King.

J G Miller wrote:
On Monday, July 16th, 2012, at 17:41:10h +0000, Silk babbled:

Fortunately for the Scots, most of them understand that they are part
of a united kingdom and not under English occupation.

At weekends, do you dress up (when not doing Mussolin)
as Field Marshal George Wade

Have you been at the Welsh vodka, again?

In article , J G Miller wrote:
How can hearing foreign speech as babble reveal
anything at all about anybody's viewing habits?

Because if you think the language is babble, you will not
listen to 90 minutes of "babbling" will you?

For what it's worth, I only know one language well enough to speak it,
but often watch foreign movies with subtitles.

Obviously because you do not consider foreign language speech
to be babble.

No I don't. I consider it to be a language I don't understand. It may sound
like babble to my ears but that doesn't mean that's what it is, and it
doesn't prevent me being perfectly happy to listen to 90 minutes of it if
it's part of a movie with subtitles.

Even if a sound doesn't have a clear semantic meaning, that doesn't mean
it's devoid of any meaning at all, otherwise nobody would bother listening
to music. I always find the original language version of a soundtrack with
the original actors' voices to give a far greater feeling of involvement
with the story than a dubbed English version, so there must be something
conveyed by foreign "babble" in addition to the words themselves.

Statistics that are unrelated to real life are just a load of babble.

Are you implying that the statement of Silk and your statement
is not related to real life?

I was making a comment about statistics, assuming your invocation of them
to be facetious.

Rod.
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